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Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: The Minister of State should listen to Members for a second and actually answer the questions he has been asked.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I am getting to it. Members have asked the Minister of State a number of questions but he has refused to answer them.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: Possibly, it is because he does not have the information himself. The first question I asked him is what people are likely to pay in water charges - that is, what are the likely water charges - and he has not given an answer. Members of neither this democratically elected Chamber nor the Dáil can tell people out in the communities what they will be paying. The Minister of State is...

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: Members have no idea how much people will be obliged to pay. They certainly know it will not be linked to ability to pay, because there will be a vote on that later and I am sure it will be voted down by the Government Members. On the question of ability to pay and in regard to this section in general, I note that in her response, Senator Keane tried to pretend that all the answers were...

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: -----the same question repeatedly. However, it is very frustrating for Members to put such questions to him when he is not in a position to respond. He seeks Members' support for the Bill and wants them to vote for it, to state it is a good Bill, that everything is great and to work with him but they do not even have the information with which they can go back to the people outside this...

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: There are no water charges in the North.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: The aforementioned website might disagree with Senator Cullinane, because it specifically refers to water and sewerage. If water and sewerage do not constitute water, I am not sure what does. The website states that if one is having difficulty paying rates, water charges or the household charge - all are linked together - one should contact the Land & Property Services, LPS, which...

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: Is Senator Keane saying it will be income based?

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: No, it does not.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: How much will it cost people?

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: How much will it cost the householder?

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: How much-----

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I will ask it again.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: If it is not true, the Minister of State might give us that information even at this stage as we have debated it for hours. Senator Ó Clochartaigh mainly took this issue for my party but I was here for some of the debate.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I listened to a good deal of the debate.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I put questions on this. The Minister of State is a bit cranky today for some reason-----

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: -----but that is a matter for himself.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: With respect, the Minister of State has not and I have listened to the debate.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: Just because Members are not in the Chamber does not mean that they do not hear what is being said in this House, no more than the Minister of State does not know what is being said in the Dáil in his absence.

Seanad: Water Services (No. 2) Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: Let us cut out that nonsense.

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