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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I am just asking Mr. Gunning to tell us why that is the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Yes, so why did the board allow that situation to occur?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: It was not satisfactory.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Okay, I hear what Mr. Gunning is saying.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I would question the collaborative approach because I do not think it has been satisfactory. Another way of describing a collaborative approach is to say it is a lax approach.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: That is the way it is coming across.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Okay. In relation to the completion of rooms, the board has said that 20% of the 3,000 rooms are completed to the point where they can be snagged. Is that the case? Or is the figure 27?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: The figure it has offered is 20% of the total.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Mr. Devine mentioned a figure of 600 out of 3,000.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Sorry, was the figure 600 out of 3,000 rooms?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Mr. Devine is including corridors in that figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: On the delay in the 600 rooms that have been offered, to what extent is the delay on the board's part rather than that of the contractor, given that only 27 rooms have been signed off for snagging?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Is the board satisfied?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I get that. The claims have increased substantially since the board was with us last. Last October, we were told that the strategy was to park the claims until the completion of the construction work. That is what the board told us at that stage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: For how long was that moratorium?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I would like an update on what the board has done since January in relation to the claims. We have been told that 16 of the claims accounted for 76% of the total value. That means there are 16 claims with an average cost of €36 million each, which is a vast amount of money.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: The average cost is €36 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: What is the strategy for addressing those claims? The total value of the claims is €500 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: What is the board's strategy for addressing the big claims that account for most of that sum?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Yes. I am asking what the board's strategy is for dealing with them.

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