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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: The committee might want take that a bit further.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: On the Minister of State's earlier response on door-to-door collections, an issue I have come across in the past and of which all of us have had experience, is that of commercial organisations contacting us about selling advertisements. A prime example of that would be in a school journal. This purports to be of benefit to a particular school where the companies are acting on behalf of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: In many cases, it is the commercial company that approaches the charity. It says it is in the process of producing a calendar, is seeking sponsorship for it, will circulate it in a particular geographic area, would like to have the charity's name associated with it and for that purpose will give the charity a contribution. However, you may find out the proportion of the funds generated...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: No, it is the individual.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: For example, let us say the Houses of the Oireachtas were a charity. A company named Paul Donnelly Publications contacts me to say it is circulating a calendar in the Roscommon area next December. It is selling advertising for it and the beneficiary of this is the Houses of the Oireachtas charity. It is selling advertising to me at €100 and clearly giving me the impression the vast...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: -----allegedly being made from that. The difficulty here is it is being sold on the basis the charity is the main beneficiary of it, where in fact the commercial company is getting the vast bulk of the profits from that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: Why is that section not being commenced?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: We have all got caught for them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: I have questioned it and gone back and found out the amount that is actually going to the school, charity or organisation is absolutely minuscule.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: Maybe the way around this is to skin the cat another way, so to speak, such that there is an obligation on a charity, if it lends its name to a particular fundraising event, that the people from whom the contributions are being sought must be informed of the proportion going to the charity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: That may be the way around this but it is a problem. It does not just relate to registered charities, as Deputy Paul Donnelly, has spoken about. There are many more organisations out there getting caught in the same problem.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: I thank the Minister of State. I am sorry for using Deputy Paul Donnelly's name in vain. Maybe he will have a summer project to get involved with now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: Was there anything else we have missed out on the Minister of State wanted to add?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: There is more that may need to be explored in relation to that one. Has the Minister of State concluded that question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: On that point, is there a differential between a cross-border charity in this jurisdiction and in the United Kingdom, and a charity in this jurisdiction and in other parts of the European Union? I do not expect the Minister of State to have an answer to that at the moment but perhaps he might clarify it for us.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: Does Deputy Donnelly have any further questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: Does Deputy Rose Conway-Walsh have any questions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Charities (Amendment) Bill 2022: Discussion (6 Jul 2022)

Denis Naughten: I have one final question. The Minister of State will be aware that we are currently seeking public submissions on this legislation. We have already received a number of submissions and will be going through them in private session today. Is there any aspect of the changes proposed here by the Minister of State where he would like to hear from charities or members of the public around the...

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