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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I apologise for being late. I will follow up on what Deputy Byrne has said. Who is responsible for the Department not having sufficient persons to be able to interpret whether this was correct? It is Groundhog Day again here. A number of weeks ago we had issues involving a multimillion euro loss in RTÉ, which occurred later than this and which also involved an IT system project....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Whose responsibility was it? Who made the decision not to have it properly assessed? Somebody had to make a decision. A multimillion euro-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I do not want to cut across Mr. Ó Coigligh but he said this was at a time when funding was tight and we were coming out of recession. We were looking at a multimillion euro project when money was tight. This money was going to be spent and we did not have a proper project manager on it when it was allowed to happen, and we did not have it properly professionally assessed in the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: It did happen. It happened with RTÉ. Its representatives were in here only a few weeks ago. We have two cases relating to RTÉ and the Arts Council, both involving IT projects and both under the Department, and cumulatively there was a loss of more than €5 million to the taxpayer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: What are the consequences of this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: There are no consequences for those who were responsible for a multimillion euro loss to the taxpayer. We move on and we say everything is okay until something else happens again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: It is very hard for anyone watching this and taxpayers listening to this to hear there was a multimillion euro loss and there is no accountability for anybody. We change things and we move on and we say it will not happen again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Does Ms McGrath have every confidence with regard to other projects that have been undertaken through the Arts Council, and with regard to all of the spend, which is quite a large purse of money of more than €100 million, if I am correct-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: -----and with regard to all avenues where this money is spent and allocated and any projects undertaken apart from this?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: With regard to the basic artists' income scheme, there are various types of artists, such as those involved in music and art. Is this opportunity available to all areas?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Ms Kennelly is happy that it covers all sectors countrywide.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: What changes have been made in the Arts Council?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I previously asked the Secretary General who was responsible, but in the discussions afterwards, we found out that there were 60 pieces of correspondence that came from the Arts Council to the Department and a person at principal officer level did not deal with them, pass them on or highlight the concerns. I will not name the person, but it has been said already. Would that person then have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: By saying that, I think Mr. Ó Coigligh is going to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: What role is that principal officer in now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: I think it is a fair question for me to ask, representing the taxpayer. What level is that person at? The individual is still employed in the Department. I am not naming anybody. What position does the person hold now in the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: At principal officer level or at a higher level?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: The principal officer did not pass on the information that the Arts Council had sent 60 pieces of correspondence. The individual is still at principal office level.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Micheál Carrigy: Does the National Gallery come under the Secretary General's remit?

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