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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: I thank all the witnesses for their opening statements. Most of the public commentary on the crisis in the Peter McVerry Trust has focused on the trust and things that the trust and individuals on the board of the executive did wrong. That is as it should be, but there is a wider context and it is important that this committee examines it. While none of what I am going to say in any way...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: I accept that but it was within a procurement framework set by the Department. The DRHE is not free to operate the procurement in whatever way it wants. The Department sets that framework. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Sure, and then it is filtered through the Department into its relationship with the DRHE.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: It is the case, without me naming organisations, that in that round of tenders in 2019, the trust was not the only organisation coming in below 50% of the actual cost of delivering services. In fact, a number of tenders were awarded at that time that, while not quite as low, were not far off it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Is that 100%?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Has that been accepted by the Department? Is that now policy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: The services for which the tender is relevant. Fundraising can be used for advocacy or other services-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: When was that policy change implemented? From what date?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: If I get a chance, I will come back and ask about that but I presume that has a significant financial implication. Looking at the percentages here, some bids were coming in from the Peter McVerry Trust and others at 70%, 60%, 48%, 58%, 39% and so on of the operational cost. That is obviously going to have a budgetary implication. Has that been properly factored in for when existing...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Has the CCMA review been published? If not, can it be shared with the committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: I would say if the Department asked the association, it would be happy to oblige.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: For the record, if a cavalier developer had notified me in 2021 about problems in the Peter McVerry Trust, the first thing I would have done is write to the Minister to bring that to his attention and ask him to look into it. That kind of information could have been very useful at the time. I want to go back to the CCMA review. One of the things many of us on this committee want to do is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Will Ms Tobin share what those recommendations are that the Department has accepted?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Will Ms Hayes also address the ongoing delays in the completion of the tender for the new housing first tenancies? This is not just an impact on the existing housing first tenancies. Obviously, there has been a collapse of new housing first tenancies because of the delay in getting that new tender processed and up and running. It would be great if she could share some information with the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: While it is the case that the formal procurement was the responsibility of the DRHE, the real issue here is the policy context in which it was set. That is why one of the really positive things we have heard today is an end to deficit funding, but I also think the fact that we are now looking at the possibility of moving away from the competitive tendering model that we have is very...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Is it to go out to tender?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: I wish to make a minor point. Effectively, this means that in Dublin virtually no new housing first tenancies will be created in 2025. There will be some replacement tenancies in respect of people in the existing programme, but because lot 1 is 50% of the overall and lots 2 and 3 will be in two weeks' time, we will not have any new housing first tenancies across all of the Dublin region bar...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: Does that mean all future tenders to any local authority under section 10 funding for homeless services will be provided with 100% full cost recovery?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage: Peter McVerry Trust: Discussion (30 Sep 2025)

Eoin Ó Broin: How long will it take?

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