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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Minister for Transport (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I did not even touch on the health benefits. Obviously, there are health benefits but the reliability of journey time for bikes compared to cars in an urban setting is invaluable. Certainly in rural areas, if the roads are quiet, I can see why people would use their car, particularly as the distances are much longer, but in an urban setting people are never going to move faster in a car...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Transport Sectoral Emissions Ceiling: Minister for Transport (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank the Minister and all of this officials for being here today. We had a very useful conversation. I now propose that we take a small break to allow our current witness to leave and our next witnesses to join us.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: On behalf of the committee I am pleased to welcome from the Irish Aviation Authority, IAA, its new chief executive officer, Mr. Declan Fitzpatrick; Mr. Jim Gavin, chief operations officer; and Mr. Adrian Corcoran, director of economic regulation, consumer affairs and licensing. Witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not criticise or make charges...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That was certainly a very comprehensive opening statement. Although I thought I knew a bit about aviation, I did not hear of SARPs, STARs or PANs before. There is a lot of jargon and technical information. We have present some particularly interested Deputies who live quite close to the airport. Deputy Farrell, who has joined us today, is very welcome. I will go through the roster in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is that based on a British regulation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: To clarify, it is based on a UK regulation. The UK could say that we recognise EASA but that it does not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We have had advice from the Office of Parliamentary Legal Advisers about what we can and cannot say. I remind members to be careful in all their contributions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is "quite a number of years" five or six, or 40 or 50?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is long before the development plan for the airport was being approved.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The Deputy's suggestion is good. I thank Mr. Fitzpatrick for agreeing to it. I have some questions for the witnesses. At the moment, the procedure is that the planes taking off on the new runway are banking to the right, while those taking off from the original runway are going straight on. I am sure other people have asked this before but I do so for my own benefit. Is there the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: This was an enormously expensive runway and the State made a great investment. I think the amount was €350 million, and this is without mentioning the need to build a new air traffic control tower for another €50 million to deal with the operation of the new runway, and so on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I know, but the DAA did and it is ultimately owned by the State. This is an investment of the State and, yes, it is generated by-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is certainly money that has been spent and, ultimately, an asset owned by the State. A second runway was certainly needed, but it is hard to believe there was no awareness in this regard when the planning application went in. I do not know what that planning application stated in terms of flight paths or whatever when it went in or why some houses were insulated rather than others. I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I get that and I am not trying to put Mr. Fitzpatrick on the spot. I am saying he has much more aviation experience than I do and asking him if there are ways of addressing this issue at other airports. What have they done to ameliorate this situation we find ourselves in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: In the operation of the airport, the DAA operates the facility, AirNav directs the traffic in and out and the airlines use the different aircraft and follow instructions. Newer and more modern aircraft are generally quieter, and this is a positive factor in the long run. Can Mr. Fitzpatrick see any mitigating circumstances we are not aware of that could improve the situation as it stands now?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: At this stage, some aircraft are no longer allowed to use Dublin Airport. I refer to aircraft types like the old DC-8s and Boeing 707s, not that there are millions of those around. Those aircraft would no longer be able to use Dublin Airport.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Are these EU regulations or our own?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I thank Mr. Fitzpatrick for that contribution. I call Deputy Alan Farrell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Standard Instrument Departures at Dublin Airport: Irish Aviation Authority (17 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Are the SIDs prepared by the DAA or does it engage a specialist contractor to do this?

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