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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: CHI pays them now.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where is CHI based?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is payroll and so on centralised through CHI?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Ms Hardiman. I wanted to clarify that. What happens when the children become adults? Where do their records go?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The next question is directed to Mr. Barry or whoever wants to deal with it. On the financial statements, I wish to deal with capital commitments, which appear on page 25. In January of this year, the witnesses' predecessors appeared before the committee and on that day, we were given the famous figure of €1.433 billion, which was put together over the lunch break and revealed when...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am focusing on phase A first.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What was the total cost of phase A?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am reading the information we got from the board and from our periodic report No. 6. Paragraph H.10 of our report says: Members questioned the cost of Phase A, the substructure, in relation to the overall project. The NPHDB stated that Phase A works were approximately €100m, including VAT, of all project costs. This represents approximately 7% of the current construction cost...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is going to make the rest of my questioning difficult if I cannot get the cost of what has already been completed, never mind-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I would have thought that somebody would know the cost. We have this in our report. The board has not told us that it had any problem with its figures. We got these figures from the board; we did not make them up. It says that costs for phase A were approximately €100 million, including VAT. That would be equal to €85 million, €86 million or €87 million plus VAT.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: What does Mr. Barry believe the full figure is including VAT?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not tying him to that €100 million.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is €100 million.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will say it is €109 million.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is €100 million.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: The figure we had in our periodic report some time ago stands.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is okay. Given that this phase has been completed, can the board give us the breakdown of that figure between the main contractor and other contractors? Do the witnesses have a breakdown of that €100 million?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: We want to get it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2018 (5 Dec 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a difficulty as Chairman of the Committee of Public Accounts. We are looking at the board's 2018 accounts. We have done a periodic report and the board has been in here twice. This is its third time before the committee this year. It was here at the beginning of January and in May. We did a periodic report based on figures provided in respect of the board. I asked a basic...

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