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Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I want to speak on this section for clarification purposes because our amendments were ruled out of order. I would like to be helpful to the Minister because he raised an issue about these amendments. Amendment No. 11 proposed that the Waterford county area should have 18 councillors. Amendment No. 12 separately proposed that the Waterford city area should also have 18 councillors....

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: The figure in our proposal is 1,165, whereas the figure in the Bill is 949. To be helpful and constructive, we suggested a more appropriate figure in the case of each of the cities and counties. We are not criticising and opposing the Minister for the sake of it. We are trying to ensure there is adequate elected representation across the board. We want to make sure the issue of...

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: -----it should correspond with the number of councillors we have in the North as well. It is important that we have a consistent all-island approach on these issues.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I do not want to rehearse the arguments.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: We had a good decision on section 8 which dealt with the amalgamation of Waterford City and County Councils. I thank Senators Cummins and Landy for their positive contributions on Waterford city. I wish to comment on the Minister's one line response to the question on the core issue of whether a plebiscite was considered. He said that all things had been considered but I am being...

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: No, the Minister has not read my amendment correctly.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: No, he did not.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: No, there are two amendments.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: The Minister did not read the second amendment.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: No.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: No, he did not.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: We will deal with the amendments when we reach them.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I do not accept that statement from the Minister. As somebody who has driven from Youghal bridge to Passage East in Waterford on many occasions, I know that the journey is a fair distance. I do not think that he can-----

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I do not know. I shall look it up on the AA route planner and get back to him with the information in a few minutes.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: For example, Tallow town in County Waterford is a fair distance away from Passage East.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: The distance is greater from Youghal bridge to Passage East in Waterford.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: That is not a good enough reason to say that it is healthy, good and positive to amalgamate Waterford city and county councils and base it on population figures and distances between one part of the county and another.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: The Minister wants to discuss amendments that we have not yet reached. There are two amendments, one for Waterford city and one for Waterford county.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: It may be difficult for him to read Bills and amendments.

Seanad: Local Government Reform Bill 2013: Committee Stage (Resumed) (19 Dec 2013)

David Cullinane: I am more than happy to help the Minister understand the amendments and that is why we are here. I do not accept his logic.

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