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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How much has been spent on consultants’ reports to date to look into this matter?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I thought Deloitte & Touche did the first report and then Grant Thornton was brought in to do a second report.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How many reports did Deloitte & Touche do?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Grant Thornton doing a further report?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Up to €90,000 has been spent on the two Deloitte & Touche reports. How much has been spent on the Grant Thornton service? How much will the total be?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I wish to touch briefly on Waterford Institute of Technology and have a few other questions. I thank the witnesses for the documentation they have just circulated to members. A couple of points came to mind and in the interim, I have had a chance to look at the Deloitte & Touche report. It makes specific reference to travel in respect of the Bell Airways charter of a plane to...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The Bell Airways invoice has two signatures.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is the same signature on both but there is a second signature on the first invoice.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That was after last week's meeting of this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: All of the relevant information relating to this matter, including the invoices, should be circulated to the members of this committee. Deputy Donohoe is trying to ask a series of questions and it is unsatisfactory that he does not possess all the information he requires. The clerk should photocopy the invoices in our guests' possession in respect of the flights and circulate them to...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes. The committee has a body of work with which it must deal. The members of the committee are not fools. With respect, Mr. Boland's opening statement bears no relation to what is emerging now.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Mr. Boland subsequently read another statement which he had received from WIT. If we had not asked the question, we would not have received the answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The information is not in Mr. Boland's opening statement. However, we will not go there. Will the Chairman see to it that we are provided with the information necessary to allow us to do our work?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It would take five minutes for the clerk to photocopy the documents in order that the committee might then go about its business.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is €635,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Deputy Donohoe raised the matter of the aeroplane last week.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can Mr. Ó Foghlú just recap on the flights?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: If it is a question of members sitting for the week and of that pulling back our proposal, there is much merit in it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Which Departments account for the bulk of the payments?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Approximately €1.2 billion of the total of €1.3 billion is spent by three Departments.

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