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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Absolutely none.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: We have a job of work to do and I am not casting aspersions on anyone.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: However, there is an issue of how public funding was authorised and if we did not do this, we would not be doing our job.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I apologise for interrupting the Comptroller and Auditor General. I believe it had issues with staff at the level below professor, including dean and senior lecturer.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: In regard to WIT, the invoice for €4,200 is very skimpy on details but the previous invoice dated 31 March sets out the number of hours for the flight, the landing, the aircraft and the VAT charged. Further clarity is needed on the invoice for €4,200 in terms of the date it was issued, to whom it was issued, details of the flight, when it was paid, how it was approved and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Just short of €140,000 has been spent on consultants' reports.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect, we are asking Mr. Costello questions here where there was information coming to the Secretary General of the Department of Education and Skills as staff were leaving for home yesterday evening. There was a general press release issued not going to the Comptroller and Auditor General and there were people under the impression that the Committee of Public Accounts would be...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is five years after the flight.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Let me put it another way.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I do not need it. What I want-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: This is very simple. The HEA is meeting Dr. Port. Has the HEA sought meetings with Professor Byrne and with the former chair of WIT? This is straightforward, it is about a couple of invoices. The issue can probably be dealt with in quick fashion. Can we get an assurance here today that the Department and the HEA will pursue this and get clarity on it rather than it running into a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: With due respect, the General Secretary had the documentation. The Comptroller and Auditor General was under the impression that we would have the report prior to the meeting. Effectively, it is a matter of pressing a button on a screen and sending an e-mail with a couple of attachments. The problem is that we get bogged down in process here. As a member of the Committee of Public...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can I make a quick point on that? The agreement on that was purely in relation to the flight from Waterford to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: It did not relate to the flight from England to Dublin.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: To give full clarity,-----

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: -----the former chairman basically gave an agreement to the flight from Waterford to Dublin. He makes no reference to the flight from Filton in England to Dublin, and the big cost item was the €4,200.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Was this the press statement?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I accept that. It does not alter the key point. The key cost here is a flight from Filton, England to Dublin. The former chair, Dr. O'Donoghue, speaks only specifically about the flight from Waterford to Dublin. In summary, will both the HEA and the Department speak to the personnel to get clarity on this and advise the committee accordingly?

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