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Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the total budget this year? Is it €15 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: The HSE is a huge organisation and we are being told that the administrative and accounting process has led to €74 million in fees due from insurance companies being currently unbilled. How quickly will these be billed? The executive is announcing cuts of €16 million less than that figure. What will be done to expedite the collection of €74 million to allow leverage on...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is going forward. Tell me about this €74 million that has not yet been billed.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I suggest time would be much better used if we stood over consultants and got them to sign those forms. If I ran a business where staff were not sending out invoices in order to get in fees, that business would not function. I am bringing this down to euro and cent. There is €74 million outstanding that has not even been billed and it is work in progress. Consultants have not...

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the history of the outstanding claims?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How much of the €74 million is outstanding up to a year?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the rough estimate?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: How much would be outstanding for six months?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: There is €8 million outstanding at this stage for over a year that has not even been billed. The patients in question were seen a year ago. How much of the €74 million comes from patients who would have been seen more than six months ago?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Woods have that split?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Does Mr. Woods have it with him?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the practice particular to certain consultants?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am not denying that.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the witness saying that of the €74 million, at the most €15 million would be expected, so €60 million has been outstanding for a significant length of time?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Some 80% of the figure is hard core and is outstanding for a long period. Will Mr. O'Brien deal with the direct questions I asked? How will the money be recovered, when will it happen and when will the €74 million reach the HSE bank account?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: What about the €74 million? From a cash perspective-----

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is from 5 November.

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Mr. O'Brien telling me he expects the €74 million to come back within 140 days of that, that the likelihood is that it will not be paid before the end of March 2013?

Public Accounts Committee: Vote Management and Budgetary Situation in 2012: Discussion with Department of Health and HSE (9 Oct 2012)

Kieran O'Donnell: I will make some final comments. The €74 million should be reflected in the accounts of the HSE for 2012 and not 2013. It will provide leverage and may lead to a position where we would not have to affect front-line services.

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