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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Effectively they are cyberterrorists. It is the old adage that they have to be lucky only once and we have to be lucky every time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Three years ago nobody knew what Zoom was.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It needs a whole-of-government approach.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is everything and everywhere.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I certainly could keep going but I want to bring in Deputy Kenny. There will be an opportunity to have a second round of questions. I thank all of the witnesses for their statements and for all they are doing. It is a pity we have to do all of this but we must do so. The consequences of not doing it are far worse than doing it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is a valid point. I will ask Mr. Larkin a question on salaries in this industry before I bring in Senator Craughwell. I know it is like asking "How long is a piece of string?", but what are the entry-level and base salaries? What is a typical salary? I am not talking about the salary of the chief information officer of Microsoft or Google or somebody like that. What would people who...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Does Senator Craughwell want to come back in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Its committee meeting is on next door. Today, there is a headline in the Irish Independent, "16,000 victims of an i-spoof site had €40 million taken from them". I was just looking at a text I received at the weekend that stated there were difficulties with my delivery address and asked me to click on a link. It is pervasive. Sarah McInerney stated on the radio that she was caught...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The training for people going into the industry is something that is not totally in the remit of this committee but we need to know about it because cybercrime is pervasive. This is the committee dealing with cybercrime, but not with training people in cybersecurity. The Joint Committee on Education, Further and Higher Education, Research, Innovation and Science will get annoyed with us if...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Exactly. It is.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is also important and the point is well made. We should probably also be tracking the cost of all the scams and of cybercrime - the preventive side is one thing - as well as all the outlay cost that is needed. At one point, we could not get answers from the Department of Health because no one was able to talk to anyone else. There were blocks on questions because staff did not have the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We can do gross national income, GNI*, perhaps.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We are well over the edge.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: To make the point, can we afford it and can we afford not to do it Again, I thank all the witnesses for all they are doing. If they want, they can send the committee or individual members submissions about where we need to go as State. I am conscious that companies such as Microsoft are handling their own stuff. Equally as a State, it is the-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: That is fine

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It is something we need to keep under constant review because, as Mr. Larkin stated, technology is there. No one had smartphones and then everyone had them. No one was using tap-and-go to buy a bar of chocolate or some ice-cream and many are using it now. Everything we do is driven by technology and is influenced by it. When it goes down, we know instantaneously how much of a problem it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: We have enough of thanking Senator Craughwell. We are fine with that. There is only so much of that I can listen to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: He got his honorary doctorate from somewhere now at this stage. Go on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It was very useful to hear what the witnesses are doing-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: A Common Vision for Cybersecurity: Discussion (31 May 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The witnesses might end up also talking to the education committee about what it is there and what needs to be there. I am not on that committee, so they can deal with other members on that.

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