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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: In relation to the Grant Thornton investigation of the 2017 to 2019 internal review, why has the internal review identifying the €120,000 worth of undeclared payments not been provided to the committee? Is there a reason that has not yet been published or furnished?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Yes, Ms Ní Raghallaigh said it will take four weeks.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: I refer to Deloitte's work. Deloitte performs routine audits. Is it Grant Thornton that is doing the review? Who is doing the review?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: I will ask the CFO about the off-balance sheet operations from the barter account. Is this related to why Deloitte raised the issues back in March, and its subsequent operations?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: That was as a result of Mr. Collins's decision to put it on the balance sheet.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Retrospectively, has Mr. Collins gone back to see if there have been any other unclassified invoice payments through barter accounts that have raised concerns with him as CFO?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: To date, Mr. Collins has not done that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Ms Geraldine O'Leary, Mr. Collins's colleague seated beside him, is the commercial director. She has the responsibility for operating the barter account. Has Mr. Collins discussed with Ms O'Leary the transactions that have been made in recent years in terms of the concealment of invoices?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Can Ms O'Leary provide clarification? We know of the €150,000 payment made to NK Management. Have there been any other payments that Ms O'Leary is aware of in relation to further transactions that have been off-balance sheet?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Ms O'Leary stated previously that she was not in the room with the former director general, DG, in regard to the arrangements made for this barter account, but pressure was subsequently applied by the DG in order for her to authorise these invoices. What was the nature of the pressure that was put on Ms O'Leary?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: How close was Ms O'Leary's relationship with Ms Forbes?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Did alarm bells not go off with Ms O'Leary in relation to the payments to be accounted for in a very transparent and clear accountancy practice?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: I find it extraordinary that in considering these payments, Ms O’Leary did not seek advice from the board and gave no consideration to it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: But Ms O'Leary was aware it was going to one of RTÉ's star presenters.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: In terms of corporate governance, this was a serious breach.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Was Ms O'Leary not aware that RTÉ had a cap on salaries and restructuring? Did that never cross her mind in respect of who was being paid?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Does Mr. Lynch agree the deep breach in corporate governance identified by RTÉ is the failure of a small group or is it solely on the shoulders of the former DG?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (28 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: Have all executives reflected on their current roles as a result of this? We have had one casualty who was suspended and then tendered her resignation. We also have Mr. Tubridy, who is a second casualty. Has anyone else in this room reflected on their practices related to this scandal that has put the public broadcaster in a difficult reputational position? We still lack accountability...

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate: School Accommodation (27 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: I thank the Leas-Cheann Comhairle, and I thank the Ceann Comhairle for selecting this Topical Issue matter. At the outset, I must outline my disappointment that the senior Minister, Deputy Foley, is not available tonight to discuss this matter. The Minister is familiar with the school, which is Davitt College in Castlebar, as she visited it on 15 September last year. I have no doubt that...

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate: School Accommodation (27 Jun 2023)

Alan Dillon: I thank the Minister of State for the response. He received a script from the officials in the Department of Education which fails to address any of the points I raised. That is not surprising. What I find even more staggering is that it fails even to address any of the engagements that civil servants, at principal or assistant secretary level in the Department of Education, had in calling...

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