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Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Does Mr. Daly hold it in high regard?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: And obviously more profit for that model in the provision of services.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: We have had representatives of the National Treatment Purchase Fund and the Health Service Executive before us. In fairness, we give them a hard time, as is our duty, but we cannot subject nursing homes to the same scrutiny. They do not come within our remit because they are voluntary or private for-profit companies. There is an imbalance immediately. Is that right from the point of view...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I have a little difficulty in that regard. When we go back to a certain meeting about which I will ask Mr. Daly, I am sure he will be happy to talk about it since we wrote to and invited the witnesses. At the time the date did not suit, although the witnesses were open to coming, but they participated in a meeting in October 2015, at which point many things were discussed, including a...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. Daly, please, listen to my question because I will be stopped by the Chair? That meeting took place and Mr. Daly was at it. Was the issue of a boycott discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: As I said, when we talk about openness and transparency, we do not spare the rod when representatives of public bodies come before us. At the meeting did Mr. Daly discuss the issue of a boycott, among other measures?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I am not referring to any note but to a meeting about which I have asked Mr. Daly who has confirmed that he was at it.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Was it discussed at the meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will Mr. Daly, please, listen to my question? Was the issue of a boycott discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Did Mr. Daly hear about the issue of a boycott being discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: If Mr. Daly is not prepared to discuss it, I will accept it.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I would love to see it in due course.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: For the moment because I have limited time and in the interests of transparency and accountability, I am asking Mr. Daly questions about the meeting. I started by asking him his opinion of the National Treatment Purchase Fund and then asked what was discussed at the meeting. I am not referring to any note because it is legal and confidential, but we were led to believe, by various sources,...

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: What did Mr. Daly discuss?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: What problems were highlighted and of what solutions did Mr. Daly think?

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: What steps was Mr. Daly prepared to take because of his frustration and because he wanted-----

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: We will come back to the issue of dependency in respect of the NTPF and the difference in prices. I thank the witnesses for all of the information provided. I have read it and taken particular note of the position in Galway. The Health Service Executive or the NTPF talked about the high levels of dependency on public hospitals, but the witnesses then said that was not accurate. Will Mr....

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I do not understand it. That is not my experience from talking to family members. I understand there are different levels of dependency and that some patients or residents have a much higher level of dependency than others. Some are confined to bed, others are not. Some need hoists, others do not.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: They have not all been assessed as being highly dependent.

Public Accounts Committee: Engagement with Nursing Homes Ireland (14 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: All of them.

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