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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: Please do.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: What year was that?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: The HEA has failed to instil that culture of audit and accountability in WIT over a ten year period. The HEA audit committee signed off on the accounts and the WIT governing body signed off on the accounts. The only person to raise it was Mr. McFeely. He was here last week. It surprises me that the HEA did not uncover some of the difficulties in WIT during the course of the past ten...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: I invite Mr. Boland to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: Can we publish your statement, Mr. Boland?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: Before we go to our first speaker, Deputy Donohoe, I have a few comments to make. Your opening statement almost ignores the detail of what happened in Waterford Institute of Technology and I am somewhat taken aback by that. Did you take the time to review any of the detail of our meeting of last week? Are you not absolutely shocked by the type of expenditure by the president's office, as...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: On foot of the Deputy's query we will ask the Accounting Officer about this. Then we can take the issue up again. Item No. 6 is the draft report from the HSE. We will wait for the evidence to be taken at our meeting next Tuesday before we finalise that report. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: Is there any other business?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: It is a special report, but I will ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to respond on that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: We have agreed our agenda for Tuesday, 9 October, which will involve the HSE and the Department of Health and their 2012 budgets. Can we also agree the agenda for Thursday, 11 October 2012? The first part of the meeting will be a briefing by the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform on the public sector reform programmes. Separately, we will receive a briefing from the implementation...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: Item number 8 is the Special Report No. 78 on matters arising out of the education audits. Before we begin, I remind members, witnesses and those in the Gallery to turn off their mobile telephones as interference from the telephones affects the sound quality and transmission of the discussion. I wish to advise witnesses that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: I welcome Mr. Tom Boland, chief executive of the Higher Education Authority, and invite him to introduce his officials.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: Who have we got from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed)
Higher Education Authority - Annual Financial Statements 2011: Discussion
(4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: I now invite the Comptroller and Auditor General to introduce the special report.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: It seems to have been an additional payment which was made by the Minister to that company. I am concerned about whether the accounts have been examined to the extent that the company is running efficiently and well. Is the State exposed to these payments being made when the company gets into trouble or its accounts are in difficulty? Is it the case that in such circumstances, the money is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: There are two separate items - the allocation of the funding and school transport.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: Arising from Deputy Shane Ross's contribution and the suggestion Mr. McCarthy will come back to us with further information, perhaps he might also provide a detailed overview of exactly how far the Committee of Public Accounts can go in this matter. What happens in terms of the questions raised by Deputy Shane Ross? It is a concern. A document that I do not have to hand brought my...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: The views expressed this morning can be taken into account in terms of how these meetings can be set up. As to how long we sit or how long it takes, it will depend on the witnesses, the volume of information and the depth of the discussions. However, bearing in mind members' remarks this morning, we can adjust the schedule and can deal with the question of being as inclusive as possible....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: There is no difficulty in sitting in that week. The purpose of this exercise this morning was to elicit members' views and because the Dáil is not scheduled to sit, we simply factored that in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (4 Oct 2012)

John McGuinness: If it is members' wish to meet, there is no difficulty in that regard.

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