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Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: -----put that on the record, because we have the evidence. There was ... you were informed that discussions would need to take place with the AIB and Bank of Ireland, and you were informed that AIB and Bank of Ireland did not support a six-bank guarantee.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: My question is to you: were you informed in relation to whether that issue, as you say, was discussed with the major banks? Was Anglo Irish Bank one of the banks that this issue was discussed with prior to this meeting?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: So, you know what happened with AIB and Bank of Ireland-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: -----that there was previous discussions about a six-bank guarantee-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: -----but not with Anglo Irish Bank or any other banks.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: Okay, can I ask you in relation to going back, unfortunately, to the issue on Druids Glen and you talk about your conflict in terms of the privacy that you've had and the confidentiality that you've kept in relation to clients or people that you've provided advice to and the fact that you felt that you needed to make a public statement to bring clarity to the public in this matter? Can I ask...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: I appreciate that and in relation to ... did you give any thought to the fact that you were making a public statement that this dinner and this discussion happened in an open forum in a hotel with a Garda driver present where, indeed, the substantial discussion happened in a private residence behind closed doors with no garda present and only the Taoiseach and three other connected senior...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: Okay.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: Okay, can I finish on this point here just in relation to the notes that you provided in terms of the-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: -----not the agenda, but the document or the points of discussion that you brought to the meeting? These have obviously been ... this document has obviously been altered, as you've outlined to the committee, since that meeting. Can you provide the committee with the original documentation if you still have access to it and can I ask you the point in relation to a number of the measures?...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: -----it is very much about credit in the economy. How is it possible to have senior bankers in the room, somebody from the Central Bank and talking about measures that you believed would introduce credit for the ... in the economy ... for people to buy their own house - consideration of a home buying scheme was another measure that was on the agenda - yet no discussion in relation to...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: Sorry-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: Sorry, Chair, but there was specific measures - because in fairness to Mr. Gray, you did answer the issue on social housing - but there are specific measures here where you proposed co-operation between the State and financial institutions, which I presume would be Anglo Irish Bank as well, with the chairperson of Anglo Irish Bank sitting there with two directors there, where there would be...

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: Can I just get clarification on the personal guarantees? You say that the bank always took personal guarantees from individuals. What was the situation when a developer ... when the loan was being applied in the name of the company, as opposed to the person?

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: So it's the same thing.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: Yes.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: So, their house or whatever their assets, their personal assets-----

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: And you say that this happened on all occasions.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: But you testified that in all loans that this was the case.

Committee of Inquiry into the Banking Crisis: Nexus Phase (9 Sep 2015)

Pearse Doherty: The reason I ask is, Michael O'Flynn has come before this inquiry, which ... where he had, I think, loans with a range of institutions, but 50% of them were with Anglo Irish Bank. And he has given evidence to say "I never issued personal guarantees to any lender in relation to the business".

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