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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Will this be in the planning application?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: The DAA does long-term planning very well. The north runway lands were accumulated over many years and held, and held properly. I remember being a member of a regional authority at which people were paired to vote on the third runway, as they used to call it, back in 2006. Finally, it is being delivered but it has been on plans for years. The new tower was not a project of those present...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: It has to be one or the other.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is it somewhere on the perimeter between landside and airside, at the end of either terminal 1 or terminal 2?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: With regard to percentages, Ryanair and Aer Lingus are obviously the two biggest operators by a long way. What is the percentage?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: There are 44 airlines but those two still have that percentage. Is the operation of one bigger than the other?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: A point I was going to touch on concerns easyJet. How does an airline get a slot at Dublin Airport? Is it through the DAA or is there some kind of mechanism in Europe? If an airline says it met a certain ambassador from a European country that does not have direct flights but wants them, how does it get to be in Dublin Airport?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: An airline thing, but who gives out the slots? Is it the DAA?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is that like a CAO process, or does every airport say it has slots but that they are at 11 o'clock on a Tuesday night?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs mentioned landing charges. He said he would like the charge to passengers of €7-something to be €9.99. Is that the only charge the DAA gets from the airline?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: If Air Canada is using Sky Airline or Swissport, the DAA is not getting revenue for it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: So the revenue the DAA derives from passengers is from the charge of €7-something per head.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Does that involve duty free and the restaurant concessions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Is that where the aero revenue comes in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: To go back to the key asks in the second last slide, we understand the DUB Hub. On the point on rethinking the regulatory model, I have always felt one is almost punished for efficiency. If one is efficient, one's charge will be reduced because enough profit is being made without it. The better one does, the more the charge is reduced or the less the increase argued for. Is that a fair...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: Mr. Jacobs made the point that he is not attacking the regulator, which does what it does because it is in law, but that he is drawing attention to the model, which almost makes the DAA ask why it should bother becoming efficient, on the grounds that if it did so, it would just have its charge cut anyway.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I know that, but DAA is not necessarily being rewarded for efficiencies it might gain because the minute it does something better, its charge is reduced.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: There is an element of being punished for doing that. DAA's key requests are that the DUB Hub and increased connectivity be supported, that the regulatory model be re-examined and the delivery of sustainable infrastructure be supported. What does that mean?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I know. I understand that, but on the request that the delivery of sustainable infrastructure be supported, how can we help that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Security, Recruitment and Training at Dublin Airport: Discussion (14 Jun 2023)

Gerry Horkan: I spoke on behalf of this committee at a Fit for 55 presentation in Brussels. It was a meeting of the inter-parliamentary committees of Europe. The contribution I made was about the decarbonisation of the aviation and maritime sectors that are difficult to decarbonise. We were in a room with many parliamentarians from all over Europe and there was a vibe. Belgium, the Netherlands and...

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