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Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: What has happened since she made this clear, in March 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: How does Mr. Nugent find the conflict of interest? How does it materialise for him in his two roles at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: It was said that there were 94 contracts under procurement. An Garda Síochána is not unlike any other organisation but I believe there is an extra responsibility on the force when it comes to procurement. The number of contracts that are not compliant is unfortunate. Are they the same as the ones Mr. Kelly looked at?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Are the ones Mr. Kelly looked at in addition to that group?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: The payout to Accenture has been discussed in many forums. You are now in the process of breaking that up and tendering out. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Originally, in 2009, there was a procurement process but there was none on the roll-over.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Rolling it over and becoming reliant on one provider is something which also happens in the health service and other organisations. It is extremely worrying that procurement allows one big agency or company to provide services.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Accenture was entirely in charge of the national transformation office.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Accenture staff were mainly responsible for doing it.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: You were utterly reliant on Accenture for it.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: The monitoring of the roll-over was poor and risky, for example, in the area of clocking in.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: There was manual clocking in but no electronic clocking in. Has that all been rectified now?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Completely?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: On the other companies highlighted in the report, I forget their names, but they are highlighted for non-compliance with procurement. What is the position in respect of those?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: There were three companies: Advantage Resources Limited and Sogeti, and then there was-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: They are all in hand.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I have one final question. I went back and it seems very clear from the Policing Authority that the reliance on outside staff is a danger and a conflict for the governance issue. It needs to be dealt with. I welcome the clarity of what was said. Concern on the spend on ICT was referred to and that we thought some of it could have been done by skilled professionals hired directly by the...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Every week we get reassurances Mr. Nugent. I am never reassured by assurances. I am reassured by seeing the actual machinery working on the ground. Here it did not. It was the contrary. Reasons have been given as to why but what I am more interested in the timing around the gaps. The witness has said that by the end of the year the staff will be in place and there will be less reliance...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I will finish on this. If we return to the main company in question, Accenture, how did that contract run on each year without documentary evidence? My colleague already asked about this and I did not hear a clear answer.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Catherine Connolly: 2016?

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