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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: They have received letters from the Department in the past two weeks.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Will Mr. Ó Foghlú provide the dates for which the repayments are owed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is not the case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Under a previous circular, where a teacher was working in a school prior to qualification, this was taken into account in his or her pay scale. However, the main issue is that the teachers in question expressed concerns that they were not on the correct pay scale and contacted the Department repeatedly. They were informed, by letter, that they were on the correct pay scale but have received...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It would strike me as normal not to proceed with the proposed deductions until some interaction has taken place with the young teachers in question, who are going from school to school and working part-time. It is a little perplexing that when they queried this matter over the past two years the Department informed them there was not a problem. They are now receiving letters informing them...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: To recap, of the 14,216 applications that are outstanding 6,849 applicants have not responded. Some 4,176 applicants have made a return with incomplete information and 3,181 have returned supplementary documentation to be considered.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: So that leaves 7,357 applications and 391 applications, as the numbers in process and 2,164 applications have been awarded a grant but have yet to be paid. Some 391 grants are in the process of being awarded, 4,176 have returned incomplete information and 3,181 have not responded to requests for supplementary information. In total that comes to 9,912, which is just short of 10,000 which is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: SUSI has been most unsatisfactory. In many cases one cannot talk to a person on the phone; one person can give one reason and another person will give other information. One is chasing for information and one is invariably trying to find a person who is good at the job. I have no doubt that my colleagues have had to do the same. What budget was given to the City of Dublin VEC to do this...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I want to know whether the City of Dublin VEC tendered for the work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What was the value of the tender?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Clearly the amount of money is significant. Could Mr. Ó Foghlú give a range of the costs involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the number of staff?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The figure is 69 in total?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: To process the grant applications of 69,000 students, that is approximately 1,000 applications per person. Was a process of due diligence completed by the Department in order to establish whether the process put in place was fit for purpose? I regard education as one of the greatest services that a Government can provide. It is the gateway to a myriad of opportunity from primary, to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The problem is that we have abstract discussions on education. This is about students who are worried about having enough money to keep going during their Christmas exams? Their parents are in the same position. The one thing the State can provide is a gateway. That is what we want for our population. We want people to upskill, but we cannot put impediments in their way. I am not in any...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Many people in SUSI are doing a very good job. However, is it feasible that 69 staff can process 69,000 applications in a short period?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What campaign is now in place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is for the 2,164 students that have been awarded their grants. There is another 7,800 applications, in which the returns are incomplete or they have provided supplementary information. Some 4,176 applicants have made incomplete returns and supplementary information has been requested from 3,181 applicants, but obviously the bulk of the information has been provided. Will Mr. Ó...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Which appears to be in the newspapers this morning.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The right place for it.

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