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Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: Yes. Their code of conduct already states that they can do it but need to take reasonable action. In other words, they might need to identify where the service may be available. The following may not be well known but it is important for pharmacists from a services perspective; we are discussing the law and this is somewhat separate in that it is the operation of the law. It is not...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: That is an important point. One of the reasons it is so particularly important relates to what we discussed yesterday and even the day before about certification. If an obstetrician certifies a woman for a procedure but goes on leave and the covering obstetrician has a conscientious objection, it demonstrates the importance of rectifying what the Deputy, I and others discussed over recent...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: That is correct, but the wording is the same.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: I would not imagine so.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: I apologise; the wording is included in section 23 of this Bill.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: Not that I am aware of-----

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: Yes, one could.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: Yes.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: I have referred to the 2103 Act because that is the law today. The wording is the same as what the law will be when we pass this legislation. Therefore, it is being operated today in a way that reflects Medical Council guidelines which state practitioners can meet the test set out in law once they either make the information available if the woman is in a position to make her own...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: The test is satisfied in giving the woman the information, subject to her being-----

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: The Medical Council, working with the HSE, will need to decide whether that is appropriate. Is it a leaflet or a website? That bit is, rightly, not for me. However, I have heard some doctors suggest that if a woman comes into a GP practice and the doctor is conscientiously objecting, he or she will have to telephone another GP to transfer the woman into his or her care. That is not the...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: That is the case.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: I did talk about that in great detail but I would be happy to revisit it.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: I heard reference to wars here and obviously there is no reference to sending anybody to war. The only thing that is continuing here is a war on women's rights, which needs to end. Earlier I spelled out very clearly how conscientious objection will work. I will state it briefly but clearly again for Deputy Fitzpatrick, and it is the same thing I said to Deputy Donnelly. The provision for...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: Deputy BrĂ­d Smith is entirely correct. GPs will obviously have to be remunerated. There is a broader issue concerning general practice into which I am not going to get today, but the Chairman and I are very familiar with it. It relates to the ongoing GP contract talks between my Department and the Irish Medical Organisation, IMO, with the end of the year agreed as the date of...

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: Yes.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: I do not think I need to respond to personal insults and I am happy to progress with the legislation.

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: I will. If I can speak and the Deputies do not heckle me-----

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: So far, in the four hours I have been here today-----

Select Committee on Health: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Committee Stage (Resumed) (8 Nov 2018)

Simon Harris: No, not all of the Deputies have been here for four hours. Following on from the eleven and a half hours yesterday and the nine hours previously, so far today I have been referred to as simple and as the most incompetent person in the history of the State. There is no decorum here.

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