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Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: In fairness, NK Management is a separate legal entity to RTÉ. Should it not have asked further questions about that?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Yes, but when NK Management was asked to send in the invoices, it was asked to make them out to a UK company. Did that not raise concerns from its point of view as regards ensuring the company was not doing anything, particularly where the service was delivered in Ireland? The service was not delivered in the UK. It was delivered through RTÉ to Renault and not to a UK company.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: When the invoice was made out, it was made out to a UK company.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I am saying that the service was delivered in Ireland-----

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: -----for Irish companies, RTÉ and Renault in Ireland. Did it not raise concerns with Mr. Kelly and Mr. Tubridy from an accounting point of view that they were being asked to bill a UK company? They said in their statements that they knew nothing about the barter account, they had never dealt with a barter account before and that this was their first time dealing with one. Did they not...

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Was it not more reason for raising a question if Mr. Kelly did not know about it?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Did Mr. Kelly ask Renault if this was the reason and if this was the connection, rather than sending it in? Remember, it was RTÉ that was giving Mr. Kelly the instructions, not Renault. Therefore, should Mr. Kelly not have raised that question?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Paragraph 2.2(g) of the Grant Thornton report raises the fact that: "The Director General was not involved in the drafting, signing or implementation of this agreement (being the Tri-partite)." It seems that we are being furnished with certain names but we are not being given all of the names. I am wondering who exactly was there who knew about all of this agreement. Mr. Kelly was involved...

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: The Grant Thornton report says: "The Director General was not involved in the drafting, signing or implementation of this agreement".

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Can Mr. Kelly tell us who was there from legal, financial and commercial?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Mr. Kelly is saying the commercial people were there as well. We need to know who exactly was there because this information is not being given to us. Mr. Kelly was there or someone from his office was there.

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Who?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Is she from the solicitor's office?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: Was there anyone else there?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: I want to move on to Mr. Tubridy. My colleague raised the issue of the level of fees and when I looked at Mr. Tubridy's accounts I saw that in 2016 the income through the accounts was €660,000. I accept that there has been a reduction in what he is receiving. With all of this controversy, there is now a problem in the entire country, and within RTÉ, with trust and the ethics of...

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: What about the issue of trust?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: The question I am asking Mr. Tubridy is this: how does he now rebuild that trust?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: -----and thirdly building the trust with his own colleagues?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: With your colleagues?

Public Accounts Committee: RTÉ Commercial Arrangements: Mr. Ryan Tubridy and Mr. Noel Kelly (11 Jul 2023)

Colm Burke: How do we now rebuild the trust, first of all if Mr. Tubridy goes back into RTÉ, secondly the trust in RTÉ itself-----

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