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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: So it was helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Annexe A, the overview of Ireland's spend, speaks of €657 million or 0.5% of GNP in a table. On the side of the €414 million bilateral funding, that block of money goes to programme countries, civil society, emergency humanitarian, etc. Is the Secretary General satisfied, apart from the earlier discussion but in the case of the other blocks of funding, that there is a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: For each one of these bilateral arrangement under the €414 million, does the commentary about all of these audits come back to the Secretary General or how does it work?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Does the same apply to the multilateral arrangements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Does the Department get overall reports?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: On the chart, is the Comptroller and Auditor General happy about the reports he receives on the two blocks, bilateral and multilateral?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Finally, on the last occasion Mr. Cooney was here we talked about the agreement with Enterprise Ireland. Has that been concluded?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Is there a time frame?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Will it be within this term?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Lastly, we spoke on the last occasion about the use of embassies, the use of offices for Enterprise Ireland and the use of offices for the IDA Ireland, and combining their usage and reducing rent and staff costs. Is that an ongoing exercise? Mr. Cooney was looking at that at the time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Deputy Harris raised the issue of the final report and Mr. Cooney will make that available to us.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Mr. Cooney will write to us on the other issues raised, including the issue about which we spoke to Mr. Gaffey. That brings us to the end of the meeting. Is it agreed to dispose of Chapter 19, Votes 28 and 29? Agreed. I thank the witnesses for attending. I wish them all a happy Christmas. I thank our staff for their work during the year and the Comptroller and Auditor General's office...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Towards the end of January.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: Pending that response, I wish to say something, which I mean in a constructive way. I do not accept for one minute, as I said to Mr. Gaffey before, that the president of the Administrative Tribunal could not comment on the report as it was being presented to parliament around 30 November. This is a question of giving €37 million, and more at times, to a country. It is a substantial...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: If members bear with me, I have a few questions. I do not know whether this is a speech because we have heard speeches, confessions and questions and it is Christmas time. We are moving at a reasonable speed in dealing with the issues involved. To touch on what was stated about frying Secretaries General or Accounting Officers when they attend the committee, as chief fryer and someone...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: I thank Mr. Cooney. May we publish the statement?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: We will commence in public session. I am asking members to leave the draft report on the HSE until the new year when we will have a better opportunity to go through it in detail when we resume some time around 17 January 2013. Are the minutes of the meeting of 13 December 2012 agreed? Agreed. Are there any matters arising from the minutes? No. On correspondence since 13 December 2012,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: I remind members, witnesses and those in the Visitors' Gallery to turn off their mobile phones because the interference affects the sound quality of the transmission of the meeting. I advise witnesses that they are protected by absolute privilege in respect of the evidence they are to give this committee. If they are directed by the committee to cease giving evidence in respect of a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 19 - Official Development Assistance
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
Vote 29 - International Co-operation
(20 Dec 2012)

John McGuinness: I call on the Comptroller and Auditor General to introduce the chapters in his report. The full text of the chapters can be found in the annual report of the Comptroller and Auditor General or on the website of the Comptroller and Auditor General at audgen.gov.ie.

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