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Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: What is Mr. Guiomard's view on the costs relating to Terminal 2? Much of the commentary is on the low numbers of people going through the terminal and the cost to the people who use the airport because of that. What does Mr. Guiomard think of its future? I passed through the building a number of times recently and I was taken aback because it was almost vacant.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: So there was a dispute.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: What was the value of the contract?

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: So the annual cost was €80,000 and there was a dispute about the ending of the contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: That arose because the commission did not want the service any longer and felt the cheapest option was to settle this before it went to court, with solicitors, barristers and everything else getting involved.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: The €80,000 figure was reached by way of negotiation with this contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: In light of all the other costs that might have been incurred, the witness saw this as best value for money or the best route out of this.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: If the contractor had been told to stay at home and not bother coming in, he or she would have been paid far less than the €80,000 if it was at the end of the contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: I am well aware of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: That may be so but according to the information this morning, the contract was just at an end. The easiest action would have been not to renew the contract, and it would have been cost-effective. I understood from earlier exchanges that there was a longer period to run but it turns out that the contract was on the verge of finishing. If that was the case, it would have cost less to allow...

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: I cannot understand that. If the contract was to end shortly, why would the value of a year of the contract be paid at a cost of €80,000? It was just at the end of the contract.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: There would not have been a dispute if the contract had been allowed to run out and take its course. The contract was close to its end and a dispute would not have arisen. There would only have been costs for the period of the contract running out. Why would the commission bother entering into a deal for €80,000 when the contract was at an end?

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: How could that happen if the end of the contract was close?

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: It is pretty clear that if I was part of a contract that was just finished, and I knew it would not be renewed because of ill feeling or a judgment that the contract was not being fulfilled properly, I would live with the issue for the few months. That is what private enterprise might do; it would grin and bear it until the end, paying far less than €80,000. I would not put my hand...

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: It is not required. I am just asking to clarify the matter. No sanction seems to be required.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: That was not agreed with me or the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: We are here to extract the detail of the payment from the witness. I have not asked for the name of the contractor or anybody else. We are discussing the principle of paying somebody €80,000 at the end of their contract when it would have apparently cost substantially less to let the contract run out. There could not have been a legal dispute at the end of a contract if it had been...

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: What did the audit committee make of the €16,000 and €80,000 payments? Did it have a view?

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: Did the audit committee approve of the scheme?

Public Accounts Committee: Commission for Aviation Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Communications Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
Commission for Energy Regulation - Financial Statement 2011
(17 Jan 2013)

John McGuinness: A "Yes" or "No" answer will do. Did the audit committee agree to the scheme which was introduced that led to the €16,000 payment?

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