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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Okay, we will get them. In relation to those, there is a range of reasons, I would imagine, from losing a passport to unfortunately being caught in a terrorist attack. How does the Department operate recovery of expenses or does it? Does the Department give this service free of charge?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: What model has the Department for recovering the costs, for instance, in the simple example of losing one's passport? Does the Department charge that person for the cost? How does it work with somebody who is injured?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Is there a set list?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I have one final practical question on fraud. The Department does not publish details. I think it is in the process of changing that policy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will that be the first time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will that be for the 2017 accounts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I have a number of questions in relation to the EU. I am reading an Orwellian document here on the long-term European Defence Fund and the European Defence Agency and money going to that from Ireland. Is there any way that is going through the Department in the form of aid?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Is there a suggestion that the cost of our direct provision would form part of the aid programme or would go in under that figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Does that include direct provision?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: "In-donor", is it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: The Department has not counted it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Good. But it is open to.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: There are two direct provision centres in Galway, for example. Could some of the cost of running them be included in the ODA budget?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Potentially. It has not been done yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I note the language. We will hear some more language later today. I refer to the European defence agencies and language being changed to talk about peace enforcement and all sorts. I will not go there. Luckily, we are running out of time. In terms of aid, I wish we had more time. Mr. Burgess has certainly given me food for thought and I thank him for all the documents. We are looking at...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I am looking at the change. It now will be 2030 before we hopefully reach what we promised the UN in 1970. It will take 60 years to reach the target that has been changed on I do not know how many occasions and we see so much money going into defence. I have other words for that. Mr. Burgess probably cannot comment because it is policy. The Department is doing great work, albeit with...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I understand the point Mr. Burgess makes but there are 65 million people displaced. At some stage, there needs to be a recognition at Government level that we cannot go on without looking at what is causing this in the first place and our role and the EU's role in that in terms of policy. We have policies that are leading to the lack of stability yet we are struggling to bring a little...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: It may well be but the decision has to be looked at. What is causing the conflict in the first place and what is leading to 65 million refugees? We must look at that on a policy level and begin to question. This aid is fantastic but it is tiny and it is trying to make up for what we are doing wrong in the first place.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 14 - Control of Ireland's Bilateral Assistance Programme
Vote 27 - International Co-operation
Vote 28 - Foreign Affairs and Trade
(21 Jun 2018)

Catherine Connolly: There was a separate woman anyway. There was an absence of climate change consideration. It was not mentioned. Developed countries are huge contributors to climate change and terrible suffering yet it did not feature in that high-level presentation. We were reassured subsequently that it does feature, but I did not see it. I have run out of time but it is a major challenge. Language is...

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