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Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I move amendment No. 24: In page 9, between lines 15 and 16, to insert the following:"(g) to review the use of fluoride in the water supply, and to issue recommendations to Irish Water on the use of fluoride in water.". Táimíd ag cur leasú chun cinn anseo a bhaineann le fluairíd a bheith á chur san uisce agus an ról atá ag an an bhfóram poiblí seo...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I would be delighted.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I have another point to make before the Minister replies. I take on board the points made and think what is happening is constructive. My understanding is that the implications are far-reaching for the State. Senator Colm Burke referred to the legal implications and I understand a case is being fought in Letterkenny, County Donegal, regarding a similar issue. Is the Minister aware of...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I appreciate the Minister's commitment, but our experience with the agencies has not been great. the voices of communities must be heard. For that reason, I will press the amendment.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I appreciate the tone of the Minister's response and I appreciate the fact that most Senators have taken on board points I have made. I wish to further clarify my position. I am raising this is because I believe it has implications for policy positions and decisions that Irish Water is taking. I refer back to the example cited. There is an acute scenario involving E. coli or something in...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I would not mock this. If it is shown that there is a carcinogenic effect in dogs, it could happen in humans. Certainly, I would not mock the situation we are in. If Senator Gilroy came to Connemara I could introduce him to many people who are angry about this. We believe there is a health issue and that Irish Water is making little of it. I believe the public water forum suggested could...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I move amendment No. 23: In page 9, between lines 15 and 16, to insert the following:"(g) to recommend that Irish Water can issue public health notices in respect of water quality.".Táimid ag plé an gaol agus an ról atá ag an bhfóram uisce poiblí. I note that the role of the public water forum in most cases will be to make "comments and suggestions in relation...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: On the amendment, please.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: On the amendment, please, a Leas-Chathaoirligh.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: On a point of order, I am surprised at Senator Jim D'Arcy because he normally does not lower himself to making that type of comment.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I ask Senator Jim D'Arcy to retract the comments he made.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: We would prefer if the Senator spoke to the amendment.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: Cuirim fáilte roimh an Aire. Ba mhaith liom cuidiú leis an leasú. I second the amendment moved by Senator Cullinane. I have grave concerns about whether the public water forum will have much of an impact. As has been stated previously, the closest example we can get is perhaps the HSE health forums which people from all sides of the political divide will agree have few teeth...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: It does absolutely. It is about bringing the concerns of consumers around payments into the water forum. I suggest that type of issue will come forward. That is why it is important to include householders and commercial water users. I raised an issue last week to which we did not get an answer which was that while the rates for domestic household use are being frozen, it was not known what...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I am beginning to feel that the more we go through this legislation we find more holes than there would be in a leaky Irish Water mains pipe, but we will continue to raise the issues we are raising. I am dumbfounded by what I am hearing from the Ministers on the questions we are raising. This is a bona fide amendment into which there has been a good deal of thought. I am confused as to the...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: Surely when a new scheme is being implemented there are projected costs. That is what this is about. It is about reporting back.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: The point I am making is that before we can review a scheme we have to have projections. I am asking the Minister very clear questions. What are the projections? How many households do they intend to pay the grant to? How much of a hole will that leave in the social protection budget, and has that been signed off on by Cabinet and by the Minister for Social Protection? In terms of the...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: I note that when the Minister took over the brief, including the Irish Water debacle part two, he promised to endeavour to come out with a package that would provide absolute clarity on Irish Water for the future. I am not convinced by the points he made earlier, however, about a new Bill in future. I appreciated that when I made my earlier contribution. It is as though I am buying a suit,...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: That is what we are being asked to do. I clearly asked the Minister what his blueprint was. It is not good enough to give us this bit of the jigsaw today and ask us to buy into it. If we purchase this part of the Bill, the Minister will come back with another piece of legislation which will have a serious impact on what is being decided here today. The Minister is therefore asking us to...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (19 Dec 2014)

Trevor Ó Clochartaigh: Hear, hear.

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