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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: The witnesses are all very welcome. I thank them for their presentation. I will follow up on a few matters on which I will not go into detail. It surprised and shocked many people to hear from the external review that there were basic shortcomings in the operation and management of Temple Street hospital. Things people expected to happen as a matter of course did not. Ms Hardiman said...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I do not mean to be rude. Time is tight. Will Dr. Goldman provide a note for the committee on that and how the results in Temple Street hospital compared with the international norms being referenced?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Without the background, if Dr. Goldman does not mind. Will he focus on the difference?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Does that data show the number of times people went back to theatre?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I would appreciate if Dr. Goldman would send the committee a separate note on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I understand that, which is why I am surprised there are so many references to international norms. That is why I want to see the figures. I will move on to the allegation that a meeting took place in February 2020 and to the letter that has been circulating for the past week or so, which we are told is a record of that meeting with Ms Hardiman. Ms Hardiman has said in two different...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Is Ms Hardiman confirming the meeting took place?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: No, is Ms Hardiman confirming the meeting took place in February 2020?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: With the two consultants concerned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Okay. My difficulty is that we always see the same response. A process is set up, a review is carried out, we wait months, if not years, and we rarely get to the bottom of things. The purpose of today's meeting is to try to establish the course of events that led to this situation in Temple Street hospital. Is Ms Hardiman saying that she did not discuss the use of these springs at any stage?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Okay. Ms Hardiman has been aware of the letter for the past month. As she is aware, this is a serious issue. What attempts did she make to trace whether the letter came into her office?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Ms Hardiman has not stepped back.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Press statements were issued on Ms Hardiman's behalf denying this course of events.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: I did not ask if Ms Hardiman approved it. I did not ask that. I asked if Ms Hardiman had a conversation with any consultants about the use of experimental techniques in relation to this very small group of principally spinal muscular atrophy, SMA1, patients.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Is Ms Hardiman saying that at no point was she told by any consultant about a proposal to use these springs?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: No. I did not ask about that. Is Ms Hardiman saying she had no information about a proposal to use these springs?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Sorry, I am just asking if this is what Ms Hardiman is saying. Is she saying that she was given no information about the use of these springs prior to their implementation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Róisín Shortall: Sorry, Ms Hardiman had no information.

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