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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Is it the case that the Department is not going to trigger that from its side but will allow others to make the case to the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: If I was one of the householders who had to rebuild their home then I would be very upset that that is the case. This is not the fault of officials but I would expect that a Department that is about to levy 5% on an industry, which will result in costs that the SCSI has set out for us here, would mean that the Minister and the officials would interrogate the proposition to a far greater...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Would any of the officials or representatives of the delegations present disagree with the table on the increased costs that was provided to us by the SCSI today?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Did Mr. Hennessy and the officials hear the committee discuss the table as they were here? No. Let me go into details. A SCSI representative said that a three bedroom semi-detached house that is block built, and excluding soft costs, would cost €1,200 per unit. Do people agree or disagree with that figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Do people agree or disagree with that figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: So Mr. Armstrong disagrees with the figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: That is what it says here. It says excluding soft costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: It said €1,200.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Yes. Then you did hear it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: The figure was €1,200 per unit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Thus, there is a big difference between your costs and the SCSI's costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: I am attempting to get the same figure from you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: That is okay. I got it already. A three-bed semi-detached house with a timber frame, excluding soft costs, is €700 per unit.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Will you get the table that was given to us and give us the direct answer in order that we can have a direct comparison between what the SCSI is saying and what you are saying?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Let us have a copy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: There are considerable issues nowadays with coal briquettes. We are told by the coal merchants that tonnes of them are coming in across the Border and being distributed directly to households. Revenue was supposed to have inspectors there to police that. I will go back to Deputy Doherty's question. How in the name of God will you police a fella bringing a load of blocks or cement for a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: A woman or man deciding to purchase coal to light his or her fire at home from some form of merchant who comes with coal that has obviously come in from across the Border is illegal. I am asking the same question about blocks. If Revenue cannot stop the coal, how will it stop the blocks?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Revenue's compliance performance on coal and such products would want to increase with regard to its rate of compliance for blocks, because there is no compliance with cross-Border traffic in that area. The reason I say this is there is a small business in the South selling coal or blocks, complying with the regulations, tax code and all of the rest of it while there is this considerable...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: Will you mention it to the compliance section? I would be interested in hearing what it has to say.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Concrete Block Levy: Discussion (26 Oct 2022)

John McGuinness: I understand it is not your area. The Construction Industry Federation, CIF, made recommendations this morning. I will ask the clerk to circulate those recommendations to you and ask you for a response. It is very important, when you have been given a policy to fulfil, that this committee would have the response required to the submissions made to us. I ask the clerk to make all of the...

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