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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Of the €61 million outstanding at the end of December, if a project was managed around it so that the money was retrieved in quick fashion would the impact not be well above €20 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Am I correct in saying that the hospitals provide for a period of 21 days to prepare the documentation for consultants?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the current position?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The aim is to reduce the period by half. What is the current average for consultants?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is currently approximately 90 days before the invoice goes out to the insurance companies. How long are the insurance companies taking to pay?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is approximately 200 days on average.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: That equates to 150 days. When one adds the 90 days, it is taking roughly eight months from the time a patient is seen in the public health system for the hospital to receive payment. Am I correct to say that the invoice sent to the insurance company covers both the consultant and the cost of the bed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: If the hospital was billing for the beds separately to the consultant fee, what would be the turnaround time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The invoice could be sent to the private insurance company within 21 days of the individual presenting to hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Currently the period stands at 240 days.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Mr. O'Brien indicated that it still takes five months.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Louth went from 154?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I am looking for the figure of €61 million that is outstanding at the end of December. What is the breakdown of that in terms of the period of time over which it is owed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: So the figure over 12 months appears to have remained static. A total of €9 million out of the €61 million is outstanding for over 12 months. Of the €74 million, about €8 million was outstanding for more than 12 months. Mr. O'Brien will appreciate that it is nothing personal but the ordinary person sees that €61 million is outstanding in terms of forms...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: When Mr. O'Brien said turnaround time-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: To link that back in with the 14 days from discharge, the form would go to the private insurer. How does that link in to these particular days for the consultant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The new agreement effectively means that within 14 working days of discharge - am I correct in that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is it 14 days from the date the consultant receives the documentation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is there any time limit in which the hospital must complete the documentation to go to the consultant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Health Service Executive
Health Service Executive Financial Statements 2011
(25 Apr 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is that 21 days from the date of discharge?

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