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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: -----the Data Protection Commissioner had was not that we were retaining the data, but that we were not making a business case for the indefinite retention of the data. We do not indefinitely retain data; we retain them for as long as a recipient is doing business with our Department. That may be a number of years or sometimes longer, but it entirely depends on the recipient's relationship...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: It is not solely for the purposes of the Ombudsman.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: In order that we can use it as validation for any query brought up in the future.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: With respect, the reason neither of those findings have been implemented is that we do not agree with them. We believe we have complied with all our transparency obligations, and that we have the legal ability to retain data because they are required by us. That has been borne out by appeals to the Ombudsman's office which were overruled because we did not have supporting documentation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: That is not what the Data Protection Commission is referring to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: The difficulty I have with answering that question is that the data referenced by the Senator have not been questioned by the DPC. The data under question by the DPC are the proof of address. When citizens come in-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: The information to which the Data Protection Commission is specifically referring is the proof of address of people making applications, which is held on record in our Department. If someone comes to an interview for a PSC SAFE 2 authentication process with an ESB bill that states that he or she lives on No. 123, Road A, Rathfarnham, a copy of that ESB bill is kept on our records. That is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: I do not know what the Senator is referring to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: I ask the Senator to repeat her query.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: With respect, the High Court case is ongoing. The witness in question is no longer a member of staff, arising from actions that were taken by said employee. For the record, in practically every county we have seconded members of An Garda Síochána as part of our fraud division. We share data with the Garda when criminal investigations are being carried out. We spoke a number of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: They are not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: It is necessary to determine how we pay our providers. If I do not know how many times people are using their travel passes, how can the Department or the State pay CIÉ, Bus Éireann, GoBus or Wexford Bus? The Senator is inaccurate when she says we know the data of people's travel journeys. If somebody gets on a train in Wexford, we know they have got on a train in Wexford and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: -----that data is to enable us to determine how we pay Bus Éireann, CIÉ, etc. Otherwise, I am not sure how we would pay them, other than having a blanket charge.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: To whom?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: The identity would be known to the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: The transport operator would know that a journey has been logged, for want of a better word.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: The operator would certainly not know it was a Mr. John Curran.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Public Services Card: Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection (21 Nov 2019)

Regina Doherty: Yes, it would not know.

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