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Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services) (Safe Access Zones) Bill 2023: Second Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: I do not believe that men or women in suits or dresses should have the right to interfere in that process. Of course, there are certain cases-----

Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services) (Safe Access Zones) Bill 2023: Second Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: -----where people have health issues, but those 8,156 abortions were not because of health issues. They could not have been. The statistics do not back up that. The Minister was wrong then and he is wrong again now. I am sorry to say that. He knows I am saying it in a respectful way. I do not mean any personal harm to him or anyone else on the other side of the debate, but I just-----

Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services) (Safe Access Zones) Bill 2023: Second Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: I thank the Ceann Comhairle for his indulgence.

Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services) (Safe Access Zones) Bill 2023: Second Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Stop the clock, please.

Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services) (Safe Access Zones) Bill 2023: Second Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Can we go back with the clock?

Health (Termination of Pregnancy Services) (Safe Access Zones) Bill 2023: Second Stage (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Thank you, a Cheann Comhairle. This is a most important debate. I would like in my short contribution to think of no one else except the unborn people. I am not just calling them babies; they were people. They would have been people if they had been born and not aborted. There were 8,156 abortion procedures in 2022. Only 22 of those were performed due to the risk to life or health....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Parliamentary privilege is considered to apply to the utterances of members participating online in a committee meeting when their participation is from within the parliamentary precincts. There can be no assurances in relation to participation online from outside the parliamentary precincts. Members should be mindful of this when they are contributing. This committee discusses dying,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Before I move on to Deputy Gino Kenny, I acknowledge the presence of Deputy Costello online since the beginning of the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: I ask Professor Jones to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Is that okay?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Professor Jones has a comment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Thank you. We will go to the second round. It is strictly four minutes per person and that is including the answers.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: We will go to Professor Donnelly on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: I call Professor Jones.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Before we move on, in the interest of fairness to expert witnesses who come before us, regarding the interpretation of statistics and facts, every one of us is perfectly entitled to our own opinion and is perfectly entitled to express and shove forward that opinion. In the same way, any person is 100% entitled to object to it and to be factually argumentative against it. I want to clarify...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: I want to bring in Professor Madden to conclude on this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: I thank Professor Madden. On behalf of members and the secretariat, I thank Professor Deirdre Madden, Professor Mary Donnelly and Professor David Albert Jones for attending today and engaging with the committee. They have given us much food for thought. We appreciate their expertise, time and consideration. The next module of work of the joint committee will examine assisted dying in...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: I thank Professor Donnelly very much. I now call on Professor Albert Jones.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Assisted Dying: Developing a Legal Framework for Assisted Dying: Discussion (11 Jul 2023)

Michael Healy-Rae: Before I go to Professor Madden, I omitted to welcome Deputy Alan Farrell, who has been with us online since the beginning of the meeting. I acknowledge his presence.

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