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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I call Deputy Malcolm Byrne.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I ask the witnesses to be very brief.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry but I must move on to the next speaker.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: As we have gone through the full list, I have a few observations and questions. Observing what happened when the Arts Council came before the Committee on Public Accounts and again today, it is a big issue that this came to light but in many ways Ms Kennelly is almost a sacrificial lamb for what is after happening here. I feel a great deal of concern regarding what has transpired here....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Has he experienced anything like this before?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: This is the RTB project.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: It lost €5.2 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: I am not saying that Mr. Ó Coigligh commissioned the project. He should not worry.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: There is a track record here. I do not mean that in respect of Mr. Ó Coigligh, but he is aware that this keeps happening.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Ó Coigligh was an assistant secretary in the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: When this was commissioned.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Did Ms Kennelly feel let down when the Department would not support her, given it was not a core part of her role? The Department would not give her somebody senior to help with the project.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Did Ms Kennelly feel she was let down?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Why does Ms Kennelly think the Department did not support her?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Who in the Department did Ms Kennelly primarily correspond with?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Did Ms Kennelly feel she was supported by the principal officer?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: Was it Ms Kennelly's impression that Ms Nash was not getting support from above in the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: It was not being escalated.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: What Ms Nash was saying and doing did not come across as the same thing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Alan Kelly: That is a significant issue. The committee may wish to bring in other witnesses at a later date. I ask the Secretary General if what has been outlined by Ms Kennelly is normal. There were some 60 pieces of correspondence. This is important. There were some 60 pieces of correspondence. I am not saying they were all at the same level. The principal officer did not elevate it.

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