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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: How many has the Department done?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Are the reviews made public?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Could Ms McPhillips give us a bit more information on exactly what the new features in terms of the approval and tracking systems are?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: If something in one monthly review is amber or red, we track it and there is-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I presume they are not just reviewed; I presume that if something needs investigating, it can be investigated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: So it is not the case that if something is flagged as amber, it goes to the governance group, it is reviewed and then it goes off the agenda.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: There are no more presumptions that this is being addressed; it is followed through and there is a process to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: That is all I have on the ICT stuff, so I can either come back in on the Votes-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: I can discuss the Votes as well. Okay. I have a couple of questions on them. I refer to the immigration, asylum and direct provision costs. In 2016, the costs were €64 million, which was an increase on 2015. However, the State has given a commitment to take in 4,000 additional refugees, the vast majority from Syria. Is Ms McPhillips confident that the money is available to ensure...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: The initial accommodation costs. How does the Department source the initial accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: It comes under subhead E5.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Subhead E5 does not provide a breakdown of the figure. It provides an estimated outturn for asylum seekers' accommodation of €119.185 million. How much of that relates to payments to landlords, refurbishment and fitting out of accommodation? Is a breakdown available?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: If somebody owns a hotel, does all the money go to him or her? Is the Department financing the fitting out or refurbishment of accommodation as well as the provision of accommodation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Could the committee be furnished with follow-up information on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: We pay utilities in the 28 commercially-owned centres as well but light and heat are not part of the contract.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: When additional accommodation is needed, it goes out for tender. Do the State-owned centres have to tender as well or is there no more availability within the seven centres?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: But not for the accommodation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: Are there plans to increase the number of State-owned centres given the ratio of four commercially-owned centres to one State-owned centre?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: What type of contracts are in place for the 28 commercially-owned centres? Are they long-term or short-term leases or is that decided on a case-by-case basis?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 13 - Development of ICT Systems by the Department of Justice and Equality
Vote 24: Justice and Equality
(26 Apr 2018)

Jonathan O'Brien: What is a few years?

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