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Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: -----about seeking to obstruct any Member of the Dáil or Seanad from referring to-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: I have not finished, but I will finish shortly. It simply cannot be the case that a Member of the Dáil or Seanad would be obstructed from referring to a factual situation which is not sub judiceand goes to the relevance of the recommendation that is being made. It cannot be the case-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: I fully agree with him-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: I fully agree with him, but where I disagree with the Minister of State is the suggestion that I may not identify a particular situation that is illustrative of the need for change-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: Sorry, there is no other possible inference that I can draw from what the Minister of State said.

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: Before we put any question on the section, I ask the Minister of State to acknowledge the point that I am making, which is that while I am under a moral duty, as part of my obligations and responsibilities as a legislator, not to engage in the naming of people who might be embarrassed or disadvantaged-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: I am still on my feet and I am asking to be allowed to make a point-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: I promise that I am making an important point here. I am making a point that goes to-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: No, a Leas-Chathaoirligh. This goes to my prerogatives, not just as a Member of Seanad Éireann, but the right of every Deputy and Senator to advert to a particular factual situation where it is illustrative of the case-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: No. There is one final point I want to make before you put any such question and before anyone else chooses to speak on this. I ask the Minister of State to respond to the point that I am making. I agree with the Minister of State that I should not name names, but the Minister of State might want to clarify that I should be within my rights to refer to a situation. The mere fact that...

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: If that incidence strongly illustrates the case I am making, I should not be under any constraint.

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: The last point is this. The second substantial objection the Minister of State made, as opposed to the procedural objection, to the recommendation-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: The Leas-Chathaoirleach should also bear in mind that the Minister of State chose to comment on the recommendation and that that invites a response from me. We are not on Second Stage or Report Stage and I am not trying to hold up the House. However, a stupid convention has come into this House where, if we decide to rush legislation, we will make it difficult for legislators to make their...

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: It is a disgrace.

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: It is a disgrace.

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: I am not someone who jumps up and down or engages in theatrics or tries to get myself thrown out of the Chamber as other people in these Houses have done over the years. I have endured nothing but obstruction from the Chair, even when I have tried to-----

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: -----make points without repeating myself.

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: No.

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: I was coming to a second substantial point.

Seanad: Finance Bill 2020: Committee Stage (11 Dec 2020)

Rónán Mullen: It can hardly be the case on Committee Stage of this legislation that the Minister of State can attack the rationale behind or the implications of my proposed recommendation and that I would not given an opportunity to address it. I would have addressed this point in much shorter order, if I did not have to constantly apologise for still being on my feet. The second substantial objection...

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