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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: In what circumstances would it not?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I thank Mr. McCarthy.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: That is on the basis that the institute recoups €22,000 in legal costs if it wins the case.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: One is looking at a break-even situation in regard to WIT's outgoings versus getting the money back. Clearly there are salacious elements in the details of the case, but why did reason and common sense not prevail with regard to people sitting down to examine the case? The Deloitte report indicates that between 1 January 2009 and 31 May 2011 the president's office incurred almost €1...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: That was between the first and second Deloitte reports.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The second report was not completed, however.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It does.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: WIT is a fine academic institution with great staff and students. Equally, however, we have a specific task to perform. This appears to be a case of a sole trader operating in an institute. The chairman of the institute was flying in economy class while the president was in first class on the same flight. The explanation the president gave was that it was common practice across all the...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: When were the legal proceedings commenced?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: When is the case expected to come to court?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I can see why one might buy a book called A Déise Boy but I do not see the relevance of books about Audrey Hepburn and horse lovers, or Mixed Doubles. They appear to be books that people would purchase in an airport while they are travelling. Many of these issues are taking the legal route, but pragmatism would suggest that people sit down to discuss them. Does Mr. Neavyn see a...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: There was little or no documentation about taxi expenses or the 280 items of hospitality identified in the Deloitte report. Issues also arise in regard to foreign travel and artworks, one of which was by way of a gift. It is extraordinary that such a situation could arise. I ask the Secretary General of the Department of Education and Skills whether it is normal procedure across third...

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is in the Deloitte report.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The financial secretary, Mr. Tom McFeely, appeared before us on the last occasion. Is there a reason he is not present as a witness today?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I welcome everyone. I want to go back to a few items relating to WIT. When did Mr. Neavyn take up his appointment as president of the institute?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: In respect of the period covered by the second Deloitte report, what is the relevance of the period from 1 January 2009 to 31 December 2009?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: When did Mr. Byrne take up his position as president of the college?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Could Dr. Neavyn go down through the reports produced to date and tell me how much has been spent on them?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It relates to the Deloitte reports, the Quigley report and the Grant Thornton report.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 78 of the Comptroller and Auditor General: Matters Arising out of Education Audits (Resumed) (10 Oct 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I commend Mr. Quigley on that.

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