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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: In other words, the soldiers we see walking around the place at night in Government Buildings and the Oireachtas complex are being paid for out of the Vote of the Department of the Taoiseach.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: What is this net allied service expenditure? The Comptroller and Auditor General might have to explain it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: What about the services the Defence Forces provide to the Garda Síochána? Where is that figure? Perhaps the Comptroller and Auditor General can explain. It might be somewhat boring and we will get back to something less boring in a moment. Which Department pays for it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will move on. I will ask for an explanatory note in layman's English in the report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will get a note on it. The final issue I wish to raise relates to legal costs. Before that, I will make two or three quick points. We have got good receipts from the United Nations, UN, in the year in question. What percent of the costs of our missions overseas is billed to the UN? In some of them, the country has to carry the costs, while in others they can make a claim against the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Bosnia and Herzegovina is an EU mission, not a UN one. What percentage of the costs we incur can be billed to the UN?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Defence Forces incur costs and get some money back. What percentage of our costs do we get back? That is the simple question. Mr. Quinn can come back to us with a note on it. That part of it tells us what came in during the year but it does not tell us the percentage on an ongoing basis. Mr. Quinn understands my question. There were big payments in the year for the new vessel that...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: In what month was delivery taken of it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Was that 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Where is it and what does it do? Is it in the Mediterranean?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Quinn said he had many motor vehicles. What happens when they come to the end of their useful life?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am not talking about museum pieces. I am talking about the big trucks we see on the road and up and down motorways. What happens to them when they get to the end of their useful life because we are talking about disposal of assets?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Quinn is aware that some charities are looking for vehicles that the Department has deemed to be at the end of their useful life-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----but they are very useful to many other people for other voluntary work and activity by charities. Is Mr. Quinn saying that the Department would rather destroy them than let somebody else use them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: What happens to these vehicles?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, tell me what happens to them in layman's English.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. Quinn give us a detailed note on that? If somebody wanted to offer the Department a nominal price for it, would the Department be amenable to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: It does come up. The Department will have seen parliamentary questions from me on the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: So when the Department deems a vehicle to be at the end of its useful life, from the Department's perspective, there is no mechanism for somebody to get value out of it after that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Quinn send us a more detailed note on it? The last thing I want to ask about concerns legal costs. It would not be a meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts if we did not hone in on them. Table 6.5 on page 730 of the Appropriation Account 2015 concerns legal costs. There were 215 legal cases involving employees and the cost of compensation was €1.783 million. The...

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