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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Was that 2016?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Where is it and what does it do? Is it in the Mediterranean?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Quinn said he had many motor vehicles. What happens when they come to the end of their useful life?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am not talking about museum pieces. I am talking about the big trucks we see on the road and up and down motorways. What happens to them when they get to the end of their useful life because we are talking about disposal of assets?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Quinn is aware that some charities are looking for vehicles that the Department has deemed to be at the end of their useful life-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: -----but they are very useful to many other people for other voluntary work and activity by charities. Is Mr. Quinn saying that the Department would rather destroy them than let somebody else use them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: What happens to these vehicles?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, tell me what happens to them in layman's English.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. Quinn give us a detailed note on that? If somebody wanted to offer the Department a nominal price for it, would the Department be amenable to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: It does come up. The Department will have seen parliamentary questions from me on the matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: So when the Department deems a vehicle to be at the end of its useful life, from the Department's perspective, there is no mechanism for somebody to get value out of it after that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Quinn send us a more detailed note on it? The last thing I want to ask about concerns legal costs. It would not be a meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts if we did not hone in on them. Table 6.5 on page 730 of the Appropriation Account 2015 concerns legal costs. There were 215 legal cases involving employees and the cost of compensation was €1.783 million. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is an inadequate answer. I accept that during the course of the year, you can have one, two, ten or 20 complicated cases but we are talking about over 200 here. The pattern is that we are looking at nearly 300 cases during the year. It is not a question of some individual cases being more complicated. There is a clear pattern of legal costs being higher when the Department is dealing...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Could Mr. Quinn give us a summary for the past two years of the cases taken by employees? In how many cases did the Department accept liability and avoid going to court? What were the legal costs associated with the cases in which the Department accepted liability versus the ones where it did not accept liability and went to court? In some cases, the Department might be defending the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can we get a summary? From what we see, the State Claims Agency turns over hundreds of millions every year and some of the cases should not have to go to the High Court for settlement. If there were earlier admissions of liability across the board, we could avoid having the taxpayer pay unnecessary legal fees. I worry that sometimes a Department might know there is a liability but not want...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: I wanted to raise the issue of legal fees and the Baldonnel situation was current because it was in the news in the last day or two. I thank people for bearing with us. On behalf of the Committee of Public Accounts, I thank the witnesses from the Department of Defence, the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General for being with us...

Written Answers — Department of Finance: Banking Sector Regulation (26 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: 58. To ask the Minister for Finance further to Parliamentary Question No. 256 of 17 January 2017 (details supplied), the person or body that deals with new allegations against these institutions made after 4 November 2014, whereby enforcement and sanctions proceedings were not being conducted prior to 4 November 2014 but the new allegations relate to events prior to 4 November 2014; the...

National Shared Services Office Bill 2016: Second Stage (25 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: We would be happy for some additional work from the National Shared Services Office, NSSO, to be carried out in Portlaoise and see if it would operate effectively. It would be terrible for the autonomy of local government if shared service work at local government level was to be taken over by the NSSO. Local authorities have taken the lead when it comes to shared services in areas such as...

National Shared Services Office Bill 2016: Second Stage (25 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: I join my colleague, Deputy Dara Calleary, in the debate on the legislation. As he has indicated, we agree with the Bill in principle and will support anything needed to improve services and efficiencies across the public service and the Civil Service, in particular. It goes without saying we will have a detailed discussion on Committee Stage, when the points my colleague has mentioned will...

Written Answers — Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government: County Boundary Reviews (24 Jan 2017)

Seán Fleming: 262. To ask the Minister for Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government the position regarding the Carlow boundary report; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [3134/17]

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