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Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: As my colleague has indicated, this is very serious because if the HEA was acting without power, then this report cannot be published. Is that correct? I refer to whether the HEA was acting ultra vires or outside of its powers.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely, but we cannot pre-empt it. We do have to look at options-----

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: It is a big risk because otherwise the Department would not have waited this long. How long is the draft report ready?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: How long is the report ready? It is a simple question.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: When did it start?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: That is one year and three months ago.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: To return to the board, did the absence of power not come up for discussion before at board level regarding what authority the HEA did or did not have?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Both. On this issue and generally, given the range of difficulties with governance regularly emerging at this committee alone.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Before the WIT report, the absence of power did not come to the HEA's attention.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: That is clear and the HEA's representatives have been clear, upfront and blunt about it. My question is when the board of the HEA became aware of it. Dr. Love says it did not until the WIT report.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Will Dr. Love elaborate on that? He did the report on UL and Kildare-Wicklow.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: No, the HEA did that report.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I am sorry.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Did the HEA not do Kildare and Wicklow also?

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I thank Dr. Love for releasing his resignation letter. I know it is difficult and I do not intend to ask a single personal question. I wish him the best of luck in his next job or in whatever he chooses to do. I also thank him for his frankness every time he came before us. All the reasons Dr. Love gave for his resignation concern me. Will he clarify what he meant by the dominance of...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: I agree with Dr. Love on that point, as I think we all would. All the governance procedures are in place to avoid these types of investigations. We agree with Dr. Love and we see the gaps every time the organisations come before us. It is particularly shocking to see it in the third level sector, which is one of the most privileged sectors, where there should not be any difficulties. ...

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: That happens because there are difficulties.

Public Accounts Committee: HEA Financial Statements 2017 (18 Oct 2018)

Catherine Connolly: The manner in which Dr. Love has described it in his letter, however, is different. He is clarifying that here, but the governance should be dominant in the sense that it should work.

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