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Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: This is about pharmacists.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: We are legislators. What else would we do?

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: He is talking through his hat.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: The Senator was wrong.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: Haha.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: Can I just point out this is a load of nonsense? Senator James Reilly put on the record of the House the words of the document. I was misinformed and I understand Senator Mullen was also misinformed. I stick by my wish to include pharmacists but there is no point in just simply talking nonsense and putting stuff on the record of the House that is simply not true. Senator Reilly, who is a...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: Excuse me, is Senator Mullen challenging what Senator Reilly said? Is he challenging the veracity of what he said?

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: I will also be brief. If a principle of conscientious objection is allowed, it should extend pretty generally, unless there are specific circumstances that militate against that and that is the question that was instanced by my distinguished colleague Senator Bacik when she talked about conscientious obstructionism. I do not believe for a second that we are at that stage in Ireland. There...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: The Senator is getting very shaky and porous.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: I withdraw the amendment.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: The effect of my amendment would be to delete the requirement for a three-day waiting period. This has been discussed so I will not go into it in any great detail. We run up against cases where some pregnant women will have to attend multiple meetings with doctors. A case was also instanced on Committee Stage where a woman was refused an abortion because the doctor had a conscientious...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: I move amendment No. 11:In page 9, line 22, to delete “, or within 28 days of,” and substitute “or shortly after”.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: I will simply put on record the content of the briefing I received from doctors as that would be the most economical use of my time. It states the following. This section is intended to enable access to abortion for those people who find themselves in the distressing circumstances of having received a diagnosis that their pregnancy is not likely to lead to a positive birth outcome. In...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: Yes.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: No. I am happy with the Minister's clear and direct explanation.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: The Acting Chairman should ask whether the Senator wishes to press the amendment first.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: I had indicated but it is all right.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: I tabled this amendment because I was concerned that "serious" is a vague qualifier and might require doctors to delay access to health-preserving treatment where a woman's health deteriorates, even in emergencies. I have been briefed by a series of female doctors who say the current wording sets a very high threshold for access to abortion in all circumstances after 12 weeks. Once the...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: Exactly.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

David Norris: Is it is a function of Seanad Éireann to correct the errors, so perceived, of Dáil Éireann?

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