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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: We are trying to get everything out in the open and start anew with respect to all the employees in RTÉ and all the listeners. It is very hard for people out there to understand Mr. Tubridy endorsing Mr. Kelly after false invoices, albeit that he was asked to give them but did ask why or what.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: They were made out for things they were not supposed to be. What would Mr. Kelly call that?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: As I said, that is aiding and abetting in deception. It is false. Please, we have some level of intelligence. Over the last decade, was Mr. Tubridy ever an employee of RTÉ?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Why does he work for RTÉ as a sole trader?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: We all have private businesses and accountants. We sit down and have to answer all the questions and be sure in answering them.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: I know, but we have to do it when we are returning our accounts annually.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: We do not get the chance to go before any committee to address the nation.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Anyway, Mr. Tubridy is here. What are the typical tax benefits of working for RTÉ via a production company, as Mr. Tubridy does, as a sole trader?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: They have you.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Superman. Good man.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: I accept that but it stretches the credibility that Mr. Tubridy does not understand any of the dealings that are going on.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: I appreciate that. So do we all.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: This is not an lynch mob here. That is true. We all do.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: When a company's accounts are signed off people must take responsibility for those accounts, notwithstanding what their accountant tells them. One must know that everything is right and is proper, before oneself and one's maker. I do value it and my children and grandchildren love the toy show. I did have one issue during Covid with the whole Pfizer element and of the children being used...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: Never.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: RTÉ just got all the benefits.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: We will ask but it is very hard to get answers off them, in fairness. They are not forthcoming.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: In all that has gone on since with regard to the fiduciary duties of the board, and many of them are gone now-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: -----all was not well there. How does that sit with Mr. Tubridy now? I am aware that he has been getting a lot of criticism and all of that. I am delighted that so he is getting so may cards of goodwill, and we do wish him goodwill-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Mattie McGrath: I can appreciate that, and for Mr. Tubridy's family also. We would also send our good wishes to them. There were people out there, however, who during that time were suffering due to cuts in their incomes and there were small businesses in particular that were wiped out-----

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