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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Thank you Deputy. We will do that. While I know the ruling has implications for the Oireachtas as a whole, the case originally stemmed from the Committee of Public Accounts. I agree that we should hear directly from the parliamentary legal advisers as soon as they are in a position to do so. I would be surprised if they are not already working on it, with a view to meeting us. Finally,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Given the Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government will have representatives here on 2 March, does the Deputy wish us to indicate to the relevant people that he will raise the matter at that meeting? Would he prefer to wait?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. We will hold it over until that is done.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes. The Department probably approved the loan or gave the sanction.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: It was when prices were at their highest.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are joined today by representatives of the Department of Justice and Equality, the Irish Prison Service and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform to examine Vote 21 of the 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts and the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93 on the annualised hours of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. McCarthy. I ask Mr. Noel Waters, who is the Secretary General of the Department of Justice and Equality, to make his opening statement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: He is summarising it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: We do not have an opening statement from Mr. Donnellan. That is fine. We will listen carefully.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will start with Deputy Marc MacSharry, who has 20 minutes. Deputy Catherine Connolly has 15 minutes. Deputies David Cullinane and Josepha Madigan have indicated in that order.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Donnellan clarify for the people watching what is the role of the Civil Service Arbitration Board, because people probably thought he was talking about the Workplace Relations Commission. Is it a separate body? Some people might have heard of it but some people would have presumed it was a Labour Court who made this adjudication. Will Mr. Donnellan explain why the Civil Service...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr Gallagher tell us about it, whether it is still in existence, its function and so on because we do not hear too often about the Civil Service Arbitration Board.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: This is an open question. Is the Labour Relations Commission for the semi State and the private sector and the Workplace Relations Commission a parallel institution for the Civil Service? People might not be fully aware of this body. Who is the chairman? Will Mr. Gallagher explain how it works? It does not get mentioned too often. We might seek a note on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will move on, but Mr. Gallagher gets the point that because people would have assumed it was the Labour Court.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: We will seek a note on the Civil Service Arbitration Board and how the system works.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Donnellan explain what is meant by a governor II?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Cullinane. We have ten-minute slots at this stage.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: To be of assistance to the Deputy, I suggest that somebody on his side make a specific note of that just in case because many things are said during the couple of hours during which we meet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The prisons at the Curragh and on Spike Island were closed. Was Shanganagh a prison?

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