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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask the witnesses to talk to us about that. It is a big social issue. I am sure the two Deputies here would agree. We can talk about recidivism, community service and so forth but there is not much point in releasing people if they end up back to square one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I would consider this a most important and new debate in the context of the Prison Service. Mr. Donnellan spoke about the Probation Service. How advanced is that? I ask the witnesses to provide a detailed note on it. Mr. Donnellan also mentioned step-down facilities. Such facilities are essential. Some communities might not want to hear this, but step-down services are fundamental-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are there any physical facilities-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: How many spaces have been provided for men?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The prisoner population in the Dóchas Centre is approximately 100, which means that the overall prison population is about 97% male. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is 96% or 97%. I ask Mr. Donnellan to give us those figures again.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Who funds the PACE organisation? Is it the Prison Service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: You are the Secretary General, Mr. Waters. Will you get us a note on the PACE programme, since it relates more to the Probation Service?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: How does the prison system know about accommodation? Do prisoners tell officers that they do not want to leave or they have nowhere to go? Is there a systematic check to determine whether they have a health card, whether they have applied for supplementary welfare allowance and so on? What happens?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: What is an ISM officer?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Why not at the weekend?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Thank you, Mr. Waters. You are going to send us a note on the PACE programme directly from the Department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Work is under way in Portrane. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is that a HSE facility?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is that service going to migrate from the Prison Service to the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: People are being sent there by the courts. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Department does not yet have any agreement with the HSE. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The facility will continue in Portrane. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I had mistakenly believed it was for the Prison Service. I know that the facility in Dundrum is run by the HSE as we speak. However, the Department seems to know something about it. There are people in the facility who were committed by the courts. Are there also people in there who came from prison?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is good to clarify that. We have now completed our examination and there are no further questions arising. I thank everyone for their co-operation. Is it agreed to dispose of Vote 21 - Prisons? Agreed. Is it agreed to dispose of the Comptroller and Auditor General's special report No. 93 on annualised hours in the prison service? Agreed. On behalf of the Committee of Public Accounts...

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