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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: If a prison officer suffers a serious injury in an attack, does he or she go out on sick leave? Does he or she continue on full pay for the duration? What happens to a prison officer injured in the course of his or her duties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Haddington Road agreement reduced sick pay entitlements across the public service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Will Ms McCaffery go through it slowly? Are sick leave and injury separate?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Is that determined case by case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I presume those officers have to be compensated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are they losing it at the far end? Can the State Claims Agency reduce any award they might get?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Do the prison officers or prisoners have access to hospitals? What arrangements are in place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Both. We can deal with prisoners first.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are there specific arrangements with the hospitals?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Donnellan will understand why I am asking my next question, coming as I do from Portlaoise. Is he aware of proposals by some quarters in the HSE to reduce the accident and emergency hours in Portlaoise hospital? Has the Prison Service discussed the implications of that with the HSE in terms of any incidents that might happen in the prison out-of-hours?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Donnellan to respond specifically on that issue. I do not believe there is a proposal to reduce the accident and emergency hours at the Mater Hospital or in Tallaght but it has been mentioned by the HSE with regard to Portlaoise. Has the Prison Service been in contact with the HSE about that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. I understand it is not a decision that Mr. Donnellan can make. On the same topic, if changes were made to the opening times, would the Prison Service have to put new arrangements in place to go to some other hospital, be it the Midland Regional Hospital at Tullamore, Tallaght hospital or some other hospital?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The prisoner could be taken to St. James's Hospital or-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I am happy that the Prison Service has passed on the data and statistics to the HSE but did it also make the point that there is an additional risk involved in having to transport prisoners to a hospital that is further away?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: That point has been made to the HSE. Fine, that is good. I have one question which has not been posed by anyone else. Were there any break-outs during the year in question? Did any prisoners escape? I know that some people might not have come back after Christmas but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: They cannot come back to serve their sentence?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: I did not mean to get into any specific detail there. I have two final observations to make. We were supplied with a briefing note on the outturn for salaries, wages and allowances in 2014, which was €236 million, including a Supplementary Estimate of €5 million. The outturn in 2015 was €235 million. I see that the estimated outturn for 2016 is €230 million....

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: So the staff numbers went down in 2016.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are they still down?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 – Prisons
Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts Special Report No. 93: Annualised Hours of the Prison Service
(2 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The service has started recruiting again, which is good. Finally, Mr. Donnellan mentioned step-down facilities and probation. I ask him to elaborate on that further. He also said that some people are not being released because the Prison Service would be releasing them into homelessness. We all know about people in homeless hostels and it is sad to think that some people are still in...

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