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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The housing authority has the right to set the price unilaterally and it can choose not to negotiate with a reputable valuer. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy mentioned market value. Can any approved auctioneer give an estimate of the market value or is it solely-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Who sets the market value? When the Department issued the circular on the scheme, did it include a provision allowing an independent valuer to submit a valuation to the local authority on behalf of the purchaser? Is that in the scheme or not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: It is not provided for-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: It took me a long time to get that answer from Mr. McCarthy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. McCarthy be aware of any other situation involving the sale of a house where one side has the absolute sole right to set the price and the other side has no right to negotiate on that price? Does he think that is reasonable? Would the Ombudsman stand over that sort of procedure? Does Mr. McCarthy think that is fair?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I will tell my constituent to take the matter up with the Ombudsman if there is no appeals system in place to deal with it. I believe that this is not good public administration. We will test it; that is all I will say. I thank Mr. McCarthy for clarifying that it is decided by the local authority and not by another valuer. Mr. McCarthy said that the housing assistance payment, HAP,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In general. What does that mean?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In other words, if the local authorities do not make their libraries enabled for the staffless system, they will not get funding. That is fine. I just wanted clarification on that because I understood that to be the case. I have a question on the Housing and Sustainable Communities Agency. Is that a company? Does it have separate audited accounts? Mr. McCarthy is the Accounting...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Yes, but Mr. McCarthy is the Accounting Officer for the Department so I am asking him first. I will ask the Comptroller and Auditor General when he last audited the accounts but I am asking Mr. McCarthy when he approved them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does the Comptroller and Auditor General know if they were laid before the Houses?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I would like-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The total outstanding principal on loans under the land aggregation scheme is €468 million. Is the €468 million, the principal outstanding, recorded on the State's balance sheet? I am reading the first paragraph-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: So they are on the State's balance sheet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are the assets included on the State's balance sheet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In terms of those that have been accepted into the scheme, the asset is still on the local authority's balance sheet. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Housing Agency was placed on a statutory footing in 2012. Is Mr. McCarthy telling me that five years later, there is still a legal debate about how items are recorded on its balance sheet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are tripping up on this. Mr. John McCarthy is the Accounting Officer and I want him to provide a detailed note of the situation with regard to the assets and liabilities of the Housing and Sustainable Communities Agency. I ask him to send us on a note because five years after the agency was established, it is extraordinary that we are having such a discussion at this point. Leaving...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy will understand that I have gone to the four groups of people involved in administering this one. None of them has it. None of them will provide it. I think there is a conspiracy for nobody to have it in case somebody can find out about it. Somebody must know if it is 10,000, 20,000 or 30,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: There are 17,700 people with local authority mortgages. They would not have mortgages from local authorities if they were better off, in which case they would have got their mortgages from a bank. Those 17,700 people are paying by far the most expensive mortgage protection insurance in the country, by a mile. In their interests, I want information on this. Mr. McCarthy might say it is not...

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