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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: We have two clinicians here who work in St. Vincent's. Maybe we could ask them how they interpret dignity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Of course. What would the Chairman like us to do? Does he want me to give a short answer?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I might come in here as well, although not on the legal requirements of a CPO clearly, but rather the terms of the partnership. My view is there is every likelihood that if we initiated a CPO, never mind what happens in court, at least one of the parties involved would say "We are no longer interested in this, this is clearly no longer a partnership". In my non-legal world, I can imagine...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Of course.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: With the Senator's permission I will ask the chair of the board to come in on this. He is certainly best placed and closes to that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Perhaps Mr. Devane or Dr. Mahony could come in on the Mulvey agreement, but I will make one point. The idea that the ownership of the land has anything to do with church influence at this point is simply not true. The church, the nuns, the priests, the rabbis, the imams: none of them are involved. St. Vincent's Healthcare Group is a secular and voluntary healthcare group that we are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I will answer first and pass the legal question on. The golden share in this case is a name but what is important is the legal powers that are attached to it. There are other golden shares in other situations that may have different legal powers. Essentially, it means that if for some reason the directors of the NMH fail in their obligations and their duty to ensure all services are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: One would have to look at it case by case. Certainly, I am comforted, as the current Minister, that it is a power that I am not sure will ever need to be exercised because the hospital is going to do exactly what it is being set up to do, but it is useful because ultimately there is a mechanism for the State and for the Oireachtas via the Minister to intervene directly if needed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: No.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It is a combination of the National Maternity Hospital and the State.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It depends on the sale price of Holles Street.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: No, there is a very important contribution from Holles Street as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: The HSE.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It depends on various things that we cannot know yet. It depends-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I will give the Deputy an answer on timing. One of the things that typically takes a very long time and adds years to such projects is planning. The good news is that the planning for the hospital is done.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: That is right. The detailed design is done. All the partners are ready to go. We have already had enabling works with pharmacies, car parks and so forth. Obviously, something this complex will still take several years, but the various pieces-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I cannot at this stage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I will ask Ms O'Sullivan to come in on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Of the NMH, critically, to Ms O'Sullivan's point, to the-----

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