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Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes. I think the Oireachtas arrangement is different. The Department arrangement is different when one is employed at that level and any of the claims were made in accordance with the rules, the guidelines, that were set down at that time. In other words, he had to give information. He had to have the matter vouched. He had to have conducted his travel or his overtime, and they were then...

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: Yes. That was the case at the time. It is the case now and it was the case then. The Deputy is drawing the distinction between an Oireachtas PA and a Department PA. My understanding is that the two of them are different.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: No, they cannot. My understanding is that a TD's PA cannot, and when they are working in Departments they can. I believe that is borne out by the information in parliamentary questions recently across all Departments. That is my understanding of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: That is a different issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: I am sure that on the basis of what is going on here, and the Whip system, it can be accommodated to allow us finish. I am conscious that I want to answer questions. I am also conscious that Mr. Elderfield has been waiting. I ask members-----

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: I have no difficulty.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: Deputy Deasy will have to repeat his question.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: Is the Deputy referring to the last e-mail?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: I think we met in my office - his office was beside mine - and it was time to bring to a conclusion this correspondence and these e-mails. It was after the e-mail of 29 August. I was obliged to work with the officials and, as stated, we did not get off to a happy start. This concluded that round of discussions and it was no more or no less than that. If I asked about the trade mission to...

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: I do not believe that was the case. I am not that type of individual.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: I will press my case robustly, but once a conclusion is reached, that is that.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: No. Again, it was a simple request. There was a flurry of e-mails, a response from me at the end of August and then a discussion with the official concerned. That is all it was.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: I wish to make something clear. The Deputy used a particular word and I am conscious of what words mean. There was no intimidation. There was nothing like that intended. I accept that there was a difficult start to my time in the Department and it was probably not the happiest of starts. However, even without the happiest of starts, one can still get things to work.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: The Deputy asked about discussions with Deputy Martin when he was Minister. I did not have discussions with him. He obviously made his case clear.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: Some of the crankiness might have arisen from the fact that if I wanted to ask a person something, I would go and do it. I would then expect a reply. I did not expect all of this to happen, but, apparently, that is the way of the world there.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: No. Trade missions-----

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: They were trade missions and the answers in respect of them are no and no.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

John McGuinness: When I went there, my son was employed by me. I just want to be clear about that - he had a desk in my office.

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