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Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: This letter was a p.p. letter and sought sanction for borrowings up to €127 million. What was the basis for that amount of borrowing? It must have been based on a valuation. What was that valuation?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I want to direct the questions to follow a particular line.

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: The letter sent on 3 October sought a sum of up to €127 million. That was a precise figure. On what valuation was that figure based?

Public Accounts Committee: Special Report No. 77 of the Comptroller and Auditor General - Dublin Docklands Development Authority: Discussion (Resumed) (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: With the legal borrowing limit approved, for how much would the DDDA have been able to enter into a transaction? Would it have been €220 million or €375 million, because it had reached its requirement?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: One of the tangible issues that will help restore that is that the board of the CRC steps down. That is the reality of the situation on foot of the work done in the Committee of Public Accounts yesterday. This is a collective group but for me it is about the people up and down the country who are fund-raising for charities, and the service users. Something positive must come out of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes. They committed to come back to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It was sent directly to the PAC secretariat.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: No. 1 on the agenda is the minutes of the meeting of 27 November. Are the minutes agreed to? Agreed. I note that there are no matters arising from the minutes. The minutes of yesterday's meeting will be before the committee at its meeting next week. No. 3 is correspondence received since the meeting of Thursday, 27 November. No. 3A is correspondence received from Accounting Officers...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It will be on the agenda next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: No. 6 is any other business.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (12 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: I agree with Deputy Shane Ross that during the proceedings yesterday - at 1.44 p.m. to be precise - Mr. Conlon issued a statement which he directed towards the Committee of Public Accounts on foot of my questioning yesterday. I made reference to the fact that he had been overpaid by a top-up payment of €40,000 above the agreed salary level with the HSE and that I believed it should...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Was the CRC dealing with the Mater private or public hospital?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Did Mr. Kiely seek legal advice at the time as to the status of the legal agreement? Did the board seek legal advice? A sum of €600,000 per annum was being paid for something that, as he said, a grade 3 clerk could do. How much would a grade 3 clerk be paid?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: My final question is for Mr. Nugent and relates to the correspondence regarding Mr. Conlan's appointment. On what date was he appointed to his post?

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: A letter dated 19 July was a response to a letter to Mr. Leo Kinsella and was signed by Mr. Nugent's good self. It reads: In response to your letter of 8th July on the above subject, I have to inform you that the appointment of Mr Brian Conlan to the position of Chief Executive has already taken place. On 26 July the CRC entered into a contract of employment with Mr Conlan...The letter is...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: This is the key letter, in that the CRC stated that it was going ahead with the appointment of Mr. Conlan regardless. The dates are contradictory. I am surprised that it was not picked up by the HSE. Not to reiterate, but when one considers everything that has happened to date, for the sake of the CRC and the charity sector it would be important that the board strongly consider its...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: Explain to me why a company which was a subsidiary of the main company transferred to be a subsidiary of Friends and Supporters of the CRC Limited.

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: In essence-----

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: In essence, Friends and Supporters of the CRC Limited receives money from collections made by people up and down the country. A loan of more than €500,000 was transferred onto the backs of the people throughout the country who collected money, made private donations and collected the proceeds of the Santa bear appeal which went to Friends and Supporters of the CRC Limited and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Section 38 - Agencies Remuneration (11 Dec 2013)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is still money collected from the public. To a layman looking in, it looks like CRC Medical Devices which appears to have been a loss maker, bar one year, had accumulated loans of more than €500,000 and it was transferred from being a subsidiary of the CRC group. Effectively, the CRC was bailed out by Friends and Supporters of the CRC Limited for this dead duck of a company which...

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