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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: That is where we disagree. It is complex. Of course, an investment of, potentially, €1 billion in a new healthcare campus is complex but the complexity and the governance structures are not based on the land. As Mr. O'Donoghue has said, we have leasehold ownership of the land for the next 300 years. The fact St. Vincent's has freehold ownership of the land and it reverts to it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I do not speak for St. Vincent's but I have never heard that view being expressed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Before I do so, with the Deputy's permission, given he referenced the board, would it be okay to hear from the chair of the board to address the points he made?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I will run the Deputy through the history and with his permission we will hear from Mr. Devane, if that is okay. My understanding is people have talked about this for decades. Doctors hired by Holles Street in the 1960s were asked when they were going to move to co-locate with the adult hospital. The process as we understand it now began in 2013 when the then Minister for Health, James...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Ms Higgins will quickly respond to Deputy Lahart.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: That is exactly what we are doing now. I wish to just pick up on one thing. I think Deputy Shortall is disputing that the witnesses here-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: -----who perform terminations in St. Vincent's are telling the truth. I think that is what was just said. Could we get clarity on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: The Deputy is not disputing that they are carried out though. Is she?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Of course. I just want to check that the Deputy accepts they are carried out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: In St. Vincent's.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It was important that Cabinet discussed this. We have had this debate in the Dáil and Members in the Oireachtas, including Deputy Shortall, have very reasonably asked to see the detail. Obviously, we have published all of the documents and we are now discussing the detail. It is important though that Cabinet has sight of that as well. Were we to release documents that Cabinet had not...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It is two weeks. The documents were released-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I accept that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I accept that. However, the documents were shared last week straight after the Cabinet meeting, so the investigation of the matter is for two weeks. The Government decision is that it will be brought back for a decision, but with observations. That goes to Deputy Cullinane's point about whether we are simply closing down any debate or consideration. Of course we are not doing that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: That is a matter for Cabinet. There is a Cabinet decision, which stands. The next time the Cabinet will meet is next Tuesday.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Let us see how this week goes. There has been an awful lot of scrutiny.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I believe we have two committee sessions and a Dáil session tomorrow.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: So far, there has been very thorough engagement with this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I do not believe for one second that people-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: New National Maternity Hospital: Discussion (11 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I am trying to answer.

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