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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: A preliminary phase B.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Is that not the problem in the sense that it tendered for a preliminary costing based on re-measurable quantities, as part of phase A? That is why we ended up with this problem. That is where the costs of escalated. It tendered essentially by "picking a figure out of a hat" rather than a real figure in terms of the overall costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I understand that. That was explained last week and that it is more about the different lengths of cables rather than the actual measurement. Mr. Pollock explained that very well last week but he has not answered my question. As somebody with experience in the construction sector, would he not consider it highly unusual for another contractor to come in and look to build on someone else's...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: It did not have an advantage. In Mr. Pollock's considered opinion, did already being on site not lead to any competitive advantage?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I get that. It had a rate per fill of concrete, per square foot of tiles or whatever. People simply did not seem to know how many square foot or how many lengths were needed. That is very clear. I am very concerned that a company came in and tendered for both phases, got the first one and gave a preliminary price for the second one which bore no reflection to the final price....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: As to specifications for these units, are they of the same specification as the proposed new building of the children's hospital in terms of digitalisation and the matters we heard of last week?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I understand that but I am talking about the 5 km behind the casings in terms of specifications.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am talking about specification and the paperless and digital aspect of it. I am not talking about size.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Last week it was explained to us that one of the issues about not knowing the full price was because medicine evolves and that it was not known how many cables would be needed for such and such a transmission and that each room had to have a closed circuit, so if the circuit went down, it would not shut down the whole ward. However, there was something to compare it against if the outpatients...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Someone said "similar".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Obviously.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: In terms of the wires behind the casings, they are similar. I am referring to the digital data feed and so on. It is the same idea.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I understand that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I totally understand. There is no need to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children's Hospital: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: We have spent a great deal of time today asking questions, but I am not sure any of us is the wiser apart from being told that, yet again, there was a change of governance structure. I believe the same happened with CervicalCheck, in that people moved the chairs around the table. Due to a change in governance structure, it is difficult to find out who is to blame. We have received an...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: I am just getting my bearings. Deputy Kelly can go first.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: To some extent I have to congratulate the witnesses on getting to this phase with the hospital. Like many members of the committee I feel that Irish children have been neglected for a long time at Our Lady's Children's Hospital, Crumlin. I have reason to be there a bit myself, and I often send the Minister for Health photographs of the walls to remind him what it is like. I look forward to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Absolutely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Absolutely. That is what Mr. Pollock was referring to there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (16 Jan 2019)

Kate O'Connell: Perhaps Mr. Costello could answer the first few questions while I get the next bit ready.

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