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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: I would like-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The total outstanding principal on loans under the land aggregation scheme is €468 million. Is the €468 million, the principal outstanding, recorded on the State's balance sheet? I am reading the first paragraph-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: So they are on the State's balance sheet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Are the assets included on the State's balance sheet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In terms of those that have been accepted into the scheme, the asset is still on the local authority's balance sheet. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Housing Agency was placed on a statutory footing in 2012. Is Mr. McCarthy telling me that five years later, there is still a legal debate about how items are recorded on its balance sheet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: We are tripping up on this. Mr. John McCarthy is the Accounting Officer and I want him to provide a detailed note of the situation with regard to the assets and liabilities of the Housing and Sustainable Communities Agency. I ask him to send us on a note because five years after the agency was established, it is extraordinary that we are having such a discussion at this point. Leaving...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Mr. McCarthy will understand that I have gone to the four groups of people involved in administering this one. None of them has it. None of them will provide it. I think there is a conspiracy for nobody to have it in case somebody can find out about it. Somebody must know if it is 10,000, 20,000 or 30,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: There are 17,700 people with local authority mortgages. They would not have mortgages from local authorities if they were better off, in which case they would have got their mortgages from a bank. Those 17,700 people are paying by far the most expensive mortgage protection insurance in the country, by a mile. In their interests, I want information on this. Mr. McCarthy might say it is not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Can he understand our frustration and explain why this is whole topic is so shrouded?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: They are a few of the bits and pieces that have come across my desk as a Deputy and to which I have not been able to get answers through the sources set out. As such, I am asking Mr. McCarthy directly today.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: In fairness, that is a ministerial policy issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: That would be a Government policy issue but the Deputy can ask Mr. McCarthy if his Department has done any work on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy should not stray too much into ministerial policy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: But taxation-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Excluding the site.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Environment, Community and Local Government
(2 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: Does the committee agree to dispose of Vote 34, Chapters 4 and 5 of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report? Agreed. On behalf of the Committee of Public Accounts, I thank all our witnesses from the Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for...

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Special Educational Needs Service Provision (1 Mar 2017)

Seán Fleming: 168. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills the procedures for an appeal system in respect of the new model for access and support scheme, which is to replace the learning support and resource hours schemes, to take into consideration complex needs cases that require immediate early intervention that have come to light and been verified recently but may not have been taken into...

Written Answers — Department of Education and Skills: Special Educational Needs Service Provision (28 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: 285. To ask the Minister for Education and Skills if the two new reports issued on 24 January 2017 and 10 February 2017 to a school in respect of two students with complex needs that both require immediate early intervention will be taken into consideration before his Department issues its new model for access and support in replacement of the learning support and resource hours scheme...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (23 Feb 2017)

Seán Fleming: The committee is now in public session. We are joined by the Comptroller and Auditor General, Mr. Seamus McCarthy, who is a permanent witness to this committee. He is accompanied by Mr. Mark Brady, deputy director of audit. Apologies have been received from Deputies Shane Cassells and Marc MacSharry. The minutes of the meetings of 15 and 16 February 2017 have been circulated. Are the...

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