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National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Yes.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: No, I would not. It is a very sensible extra layer of protection.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: The constitution explicitly obliges the new hospital to provide all services and to do so without any religious ethos. In the context of our country's history regarding women's reproductive health, having an extra layer where the State, via the Minister for Health, has this very broad power to intervene and compel the hospital to do what it is meant to do is a good thing. In fact, I would...

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: As we discussed yesterday, first, what we can take as a given is that it has been clearly established through Oireachtas debate that the term “clinically appropriate” will absolutely not apply to healthcare services being withheld from women, and I think that is the genuine concern people have. Second, I do not know if the health committee accepts it, but I am absolutely...

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I am answering it. Third, as per yesterday, I am not ruling anything out. I really want to listen to and be involved in the entire debate and to reflect on that.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I do not speak for it, obviously, only for myself. It is clear. When any of us say we are not ruling anything out, I think that is-----

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: We are not foreseeing any major changes in terms of documents that would-----

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Can I answer the question, please? We are not foreseeing any major changes but, at this point, and including, as the Deputy said, the constitution, I would not rule anything out. However, the debate has not finished. We are still in the middle of it, so we are still very much in listening mode and then we need to reflect on the totality of it.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: Yes.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: At this point, I cannot say either way. We are still in the middle of these debates.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: The debate is going on.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I do not know about the Deputy but I found the health committee genuinely very useful yesterday so-----

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: What I am saying is that I think it is highly unlikely there would be talks requiring substantive change to the legal documents but, at this point, we are still listening to the debate and I am not ruling anything out.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It is-----

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It is a charitable company.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It is a not-for-profit charitable company, and that is what matters.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: It is not. It is a voluntary hospital.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: If I can interrupt, for the purposes of people who are listening, it is important that we are very clear that we have HSE public hospitals, we have voluntary public hospitals, like Holles Street today, and then we have the private hospitals.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I cannot speak for my predecessors but I can tell the Deputy that I did seek the Attorney General's advice on a CPO for the reason Deputy Cullinane and I were just discussing. I asked exactly the very reasonable and correct questions that Deputy Smith is asking.

National Maternity Hospital: Statements (12 May 2022)

Stephen Donnelly: I would be very surprised if I was.

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